Scot Ranney's LearnJazzPiano.com archive: Advanced Blues

LearnJazzPiano.com archives: Advanced Blues
jbl81 -- 09/22/2004, 06:27:43 -- #7349

I love it.. If lumberjacks can fell a tree, why the hell couldn't one of us fell a song? I can think of a few Oscar Peterson tunes that he definitely fell. =)
lhamright -- 09/30/2004, 19:01:12 -- #7613
lham
I am new to playing jazz music. I love to listen tp it and that is what go me into playing it. Unfortunately, I have questions on some of the previously written messages and some of my own devising. What is corect fingering in chords? How do I even get started on my improv? What is voiceing? And the list goes on and on. If anyone could help me, it would be greatly appriecated. Thenks a lot.
albetan -- 09/30/2004, 19:48:59 -- #7614

Welcome Iham to LJP. For the list of your doubts please visit: http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/ For helps in jazz beginning, please go to search engine (upwards) write "beginning" selecting "files".
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Scot -- 10/01/2004, 17:22:31 -- #7642

That's a cool musical dictionary page!
ardenlester00 -- 10/19/2004, 07:06:06 -- #8171
WOW!!
I just discovered this site. Awesome! I'm spending my next few months learning this stuff. I kick myself. I lived just down the road at Birch Bay in Ferndale and probably walked by your place dozens of times - now I'm in SE Ohio. I got this link from either psrtutorial.com or svpworld.com - I'm member both places. See ya around Friend, Dennis Hooker
Scot -- 10/19/2004, 17:35:36 -- #8192

Hi Dennis, Glad you found the site- welcome! So you lived in Ferndale, eh? Did you grow up in the area? What made you move to Ohio? If you come back, make sure to visit Boundary bay Brewrey on a Tuesday night- that's when I run a jam session (have been for over three years). Good luck- Scot
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Schism -- 11/13/2004, 19:10:28 -- #8909

Hi- Im just reading the lessons right now and then Im going to take a closer look and practice and everything, But what do you want us to do with these chords? Do you just want us to practice the progression with the left hand and make something up with the right or...? The midi files sounds real cool but I have no idea what you're doing in them, are we suppose to be understanding this in some way or are you just showing us what we can do with this somwhere down the line...
cluckaluckaluck -- 11/16/2004, 12:13:24 -- #8991
licks?
Where did the licks go that used to be on this page? did you take them off or is something wrong with my browser?
berean1 -- 12/07/2004, 21:18:33 -- #9544
Great Site
I just want to say thanks to everyone who helps out with this site! I have been playing for a church for 7 years, doing mostly gospel music and playing alone (without a band). I am really looking for info on embellishment and improv. Someone told me that gospel music comes from the blues and that is why I am here. I will practise everything listed above, are there other exercises to do as well? Thanks in advance.
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albetan -- 12/09/2004, 06:21:55 -- #9557

Hi Berean: Go to search engine (upwards) and look for files: Substitute and embellishing chords Chord progressions Extended chords Altered seventh chords Good luck.
berean1 -- 12/09/2004, 12:35:12 -- #9565
Thanks
Thanks albetan, I now have a lot to practice. I will also be taking private lessons at Rutgers University in the spring. This site is a great help.
jemkymarley -- 01/18/2005, 18:21:10 -- #10512
BLUES SHEETS FOR EXAMPLES
Is it possible to get sheets for examples. jemkymarley@yahoo.fr
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jemkymarley -- 01/18/2005, 18:22:52 -- #10513
BLUES SHEETS FOR EXAMPLES
Is it possible to get sheets of examples. jemkymarley@yahoo.fr
tobus -- 02/11/2005, 19:57:29 -- #11172
Missing Lesson?
I can't see any lesson in here... just the comments... what is up??
Scot -- 02/16/2005, 23:15:43 -- #11268

I changed something so that the (information) link had them, but I changed it back so the lessons will show up again like they used to.
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SolArt -- 06/11/2005, 08:23:10 -- #14917
Variation of last Minor Blues example
On the Ab7 instead play Abmaj7, On the following G7 play G7+9+5 with a Bb on top (B Eb F G Bb) On the last G7 play G7-9+5 with a b on bottom & top {G#m}(B D# G# B) On the repeat when you go to top play Cm7.......Bb C Eb F G(the F being the 11th)
SolArt -- 06/16/2005, 18:05:40 -- #15208
Importance of knowing blues scale in EVERY key
Because besides for transposing purposes depending on the bass note it can give a LOT of mileage. For example an E blues run against a C bass = maj9 or maj13.(That sliding Bb into B is spicy) Hey cats, do it with this voicing in the L.H. G C E B. And a G blues run against a C bass = C9 or C-9 or C11. In fact learn EVERY useful combination! Ditto for of course the pentatonic scales, the major which makes a 6/9 chord when played all together, the minor which makes a m7sus or m11 whatever you want to call it. And anyway the blues scale only adds one more note to the scale. All of these scales are good to know if your mind goes blank during a live show & you're not feeling up to par. Watch out, don't overdo it, but he-he why not?
gratefuldeadhead -- 06/18/2005, 16:33:52 -- #15268
deadhead
jazz blues 3 is amazing thank you, -deadhead
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Scot -- 06/19/2005, 13:20:02 -- #15291

Just playing around with target areas in a chart. If you want to get to Bb7 from F7, there are a lot of ways you can go and that's what Jazz Blues 3 shows. You should experiment with other methods of going to Bb from F7. You'll be amazed at what you can come up with.
PeteBax -- 08/01/2005, 09:48:38 -- #17130
Rules
The one lesson I learned in music is there aint any rules what you have here is a good guide but when you are up front you have to come up with goods and although you should learn everybodies licks you have to originate, and when someone else is hot learn to follow. I never got the chance to play with the Bird but I couldn't have followed him anyway; however I would love to have tried; along with most other musicians. Unfortunately today we are all becoming "clasical improvisors" and loosing the roots and if you aspire to play like Parker you need his roots.
Scot -- 08/02/2005, 13:03:26 -- #17172

Deep words to live by. You can't flourish if you don't have deep roots.
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Jazzboy21 -- 08/06/2005, 12:07:03 -- #17354
traditional blues
Hey guys, I want to play the traditional blues, on this site, but who can help me with it from the beginning???
albi -- 08/16/2005, 09:11:41 -- #17667
Blues Trouble
Hello Scott, I am a new visitor to your site and have reviewed a number of the lessons posted. The lessons are fantastic and it does help. Nonetheless I do have a problem. I am a classicly trained piano player so I understand the theory and my chops are pretty good. Trying to switch to jazz is pretty tough. Although I started with basic blues and went through your advance blues lessons I still have a problem tying a basic 12 bar blues together and make it sound good. I listen to Kenny Baron, Wynton Kelly, Monty Alexander, Bill Evans...to try to develop my ear, but still no blues. In summary, how would you recommend that I practice in order to get the blues going (work on blues scales, cycle of fifth, transcriptions...). It gets to the point where I feel tangled up and close to despair. Please advise. Thanking you in advance.
albi -- 08/16/2005, 09:12:16 -- #17668
Blues Trouble
Hello Scott, I am a new visitor to your site and have reviewed a number of the lessons posted. The lessons are fantastic and it does help. Nonetheless I do have a problem. I am a classicly trained piano player so I understand the theory and my chops are pretty good. Trying to switch to jazz is pretty tough. Although I started with basic blues and went through your advance blues lessons I still have a problem tying a basic 12 bar blues together and make it sound good. I listen to Kenny Baron, Wynton Kelly, Monty Alexander, Bill Evans...to try to develop my ear, but still no blues. In summary, how would you recommend that I practice in order to get the blues going (work on blues scales, cycle of fifth, transcriptions...). It gets to the point where I feel tangled up and close to despair. Please advise. Thanking you in advance.
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Scot -- 08/17/2005, 13:06:09 -- #17702

Well, if you listen to those guys, then the best way to do it is to learn what they are playing and play along with them on the record. Once you can emulate what they are doing you will start to understand it more and then you'llbe able to do it on your own. Don't worry about sounding just like Monty or someone. When you are getting into this stuff, it's GOOD to sound exactly like other players. Learn what they like to play, play it all the time until you're sick of it then move on. But really, the best way to learn, the way all the old cats learned, is to listen to the music you want to play and learn to play it exactly as it is on the recording. This takes a while, but nothing good comes easy.
dudeoflame -- 09/05/2005, 05:06:14 -- #18555
need help
hi could you help me, im not sure if im playing the chords right, although i am reading what it shows it doesnt sound right. (im a begginer in jazz and blues so maybe its just me). for f7 im playing E/flat G A D for b/flat7- D G/flat A c for c7- E A/flat B D thanx
7 -- 09/05/2005, 14:48:01 -- #18571

Classic rootless voicings: Bb7 � D G Ab C C7 � E A Bb D (little b = flat)
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albetan -- 09/15/2005, 20:59:06 -- #19099

Dudeoflame: Please go to search engine (upwards) and write: basic chords, selecting files. Good luck.
pink_liquorice -- 11/13/2005, 12:36:12 -- #20959
Getting from one chord to another
Hello, thank you for the excellent lesson posted here. I read this: "If you want to get to Bb7 from F7, there are a lot of ways you can go and that's what Jazz Blues 3 shows." I would like to ask, if I'm a beginner would I have to sit down and work it out on paper first then memorise the various "routes" (to get from 1 chord to another)? When I see jazz players improvising, did they go through this same technique? That is, does everyone work it out first then play it? But if that's the case, then it can't be called improvisation right? Or do their brains work super-fast so they can work out the various patterns and paths to get from 1 chord to another in a "nice-sounding" way spontaneously? Are there any recommended "paths" & "patterns" to use to get from 1 chord to another? Thanks in advance!
Gillie -- 11/14/2005, 14:54:39 -- #21011

You might find this useful. http://chordmaps.com/part5.htm
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Scot -- 11/17/2005, 13:06:41 -- #21156

There are LOTS of useful paths and patterns. The way to learn them is to learn a lot of tunes and actively think about how chords relate. Look at Big Band scores and analyze them. The way to learn this stuff is to study it, and lead sheets and big band scores are great ways to get into it.
pink_liquorice -- 11/18/2005, 08:00:53 -- #21186
Thanks
Thanks for the link & advice! The chord maps are extremely helpful off to analyse & experiment
Engelbach -- 01/15/2006, 16:44:40 -- #23139
Blues Scales
For a clear approach to making your blues playing more interesting, see Dan Greenblatt's book The Blues Scales: Essential Tools For Jazz Improvisation, on the Sher Music Website at http://shermusic.com/bluesscales1.htm. Disclosure: Dan is the sax player in my combo, Weaver of Dreams. I've learned a great deal from playing with him.
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Engelbach -- 01/15/2006, 16:45:37 -- #23141
Blues Scales
For a clear approach to making your blues playing more interesting, see Dan Greenblatt's book The Blues Scales: Essential Tools For Jazz Improvisation, on the Sher Music Website at http://shermusic.com/bluesscales1.htm Disclosure: Dan is the sax player in my combo, Weaver of Dreams. I've learned a great deal from playing with him.
joriskattemolle -- 02/19/2006, 11:07:32 -- #24388
scale
I dont know wich scale I could use during a blues. Just the blues scale of the root note doesn't sound right somtimes.
Scot -- 02/19/2006, 15:33:50 -- #24400

You don't change the scale each time the chord changes, you stick with the key of the tune. If you're playing F blues, you can use the F blues scale throughout the entire 12 bars, even when the chords move to Bb7, Gm7, C7, etc...
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john_seth -- 04/12/2006, 03:26:16 -- #26351
for joriskattemolle
//some guy from philippines joriskattemolle, maybe this could help... Try to do this... Play an F major scale chord patteers on your left hand say 1-4-5-4 progression...FM7-BbM7-C7-BbM7 ... try to have a steady grip on it at 4/4... then play the D Blues scale with your right (Keep playing with the same Chord pattern in F) . just play with it... as long as your on the D blues scale on your right.. you wont be lost.. =] D is the relative minor on F major scale (FYI). D blues scale is D F G G# A C D... Is you get the G# on that scale... then it scales down to pentatonic (penta which means 5) D F G A C ... Try it. hope this could help. World peace!
john_seth -- 04/12/2006, 03:29:17 -- #26353

for joriskattemolle //some guy from philippines joriskattemolle, maybe this could help... Try to do this... Play the F major scale chord pattern on your left hand say 1-4-5-4 progression...FM7-BbM7-C7-BbM7 ... try to have a steady grip on it at 4/4... then play the D Blues scale with your right (Keep playing with the same Chord pattern in F with your left ok) . Then just the D blues at your right ...just scale it up and down, then try to improvise.. as long as your on the D blues scale on your right.. you wont be lost.. =] D is the relative minor on F major scale (FYI). D blues scale is D F G G# A C D... Is you get the G# on that scale... then it scales down to pentatonic (penta which means 5) D F G A C ... Try it. hope this could help. World peace!
magnuslll -- 06/03/2006, 15:19:16 -- #27828
what?
ghghghgh??
nsendee -- 07/07/2006, 14:29:49 -- #28629

pls what are cadence?
7 -- 07/13/2006, 15:20:03 -- #28726

A cadence is typically a V-I resolution, although a plagal cadence is a IV-I change. There are other cadences as well but those are the two basic ones.
kino -- 09/15/2006, 04:48:22 -- #29835
malaysia
cool man
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mchesnut -- 12/13/2006, 13:58:02 -- #31684

The posting may be old but, joriskattemolle said "I dont know which scale I could use during a blues. Just the blues scale of the root note doesn't sound right somtimes." That's because many times the correct scale is the relative minor. Think sixth of the scale (in 'C' that would be 'A'). That minor third in the scale forces the relative minor if you want it to sound right.
sdm -- 12/13/2006, 21:19:59 -- #31690

Or the blues scale on the relative minor, right?
mchesnut -- 01/11/2007, 09:23:08 -- #32290

Yes, the blues scale on the relative minor.
anvil -- 01/18/2007, 23:12:09 -- #32511

nice
seriousme -- 02/18/2007, 17:34:07 -- #33158
Begining
Thanks Scott for this information, I have such a heavy schueal, I take vocal lessons three times a week cannot afford piano also this is my blessing. Seriosme
J+azz=jazz -- 05/29/2007, 10:23:20 -- #35277
Learn this
This is serious
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nobpra -- 08/01/2007, 02:26:41 -- #36147
any song Advanced Blues
plese tell me about Advanced Blues song
pils -- 03/25/2008, 10:40:59 -- #40912
nice work
thanks for spelling that out
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