Scot Ranney's LearnJazzPiano.com archive: Gender Issues

LearnJazzPiano.com archives: Gender Issues
jazzvirtuoso -- 06/29/2005, 17:50:56 -- #15863

Firstly, Im looking for honest men who are not afraid of voicing their opinon and being politically Incorrect. Second i've never said that all women were bad. Third, there exists a double standard that is applied unevenly across the board. Fourth and most importantly men need to stand up and fight for thier parental rights and thier rights as men period. Fifth, most guys who say that theve had no problem with women are just lying through their teeth, plenty of men feel this way but due to the strong politacally climate have been taught to ignore thier feelings. Its a strange phenonmenom, wherby victimhood becomes interwoven and synomounas with blind acceptance. In fact men are viticimized twice over. First the act itself I.e losing kids by ruthless women who are just tired of being married and unfair child support payments, etc (that the state gets a portion of) and then told to suck up and accept it. If you have any doubt about the veracity of these statements consider this a women can unilateraly: 1. Get pregannant behind your back 2. Go to court and make you pay child support 3. Three have an abortion(its her body remember) All this without your consent either. The truth is out there! JV'
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Scot -- 06/29/2005, 18:05:17 -- #15866

What the hell are you posting this in the midi and sheetmusic room for? Stop sullying the content of LJP with your issues regarding women. If you want to, then go to the Off Campus area and create a room to talk about your issues with women in.
Scot -- 06/29/2005, 18:06:19 -- #15867

Ah, I see, you DID create this room however in the wrong hall. I will move it to the Off Campus hall where it belongs. Sorry about that last post, I didn't realize until after that it was probably an honest mistake.
jazzvirtuoso -- 06/29/2005, 19:19:18 -- #15877

No problem, I was probably asking for it. Probably out of frustration.
jazzvirtuoso -- 06/29/2005, 20:42:35 -- #15884
Fact vs Opinion
I would like to ask everyone a question. What is a fact and what is opinion? JV'
Whacky -- 06/29/2005, 20:44:09 -- #15885

Facts are things people make up to form opinions:)
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jazzvirtuoso -- 06/30/2005, 08:33:33 -- #15912
State A Fact
State something factual for me then. In other words make a factual statement. Never mind I'll go first Fact number one: 1.The courts are biased against men.
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jazzvirtuoso -- 06/30/2005, 09:45:46 -- #15923
The Way Things Should Be!
To Whack: There are a lot of things that weren't meant to be the way they are. Things change and morph over time. But its all a part of a multi-headed hydra that is called capitalisim. But, no one wants to really disucss the real problems that have to do with capitalism until then i'm afraid that people will get what they settle for. JV'
SolArt -- 06/30/2005, 16:28:52 -- #15957

JV, what you've said so far in this thread hit the nail right on the head. Also those guys (and I don't mean domineering men) who can truthfully say they've had no problem with women are very lucky indeed, to have found early in their adulthood a really good woman which prevented them from getting involved with judgmental controller types, etc. I also think what helps to create all of this unhappiness is that most of us (men & women) had not ideal parents. If everyone would just follow the golden rule it would do wonders for relationships.
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/01/2005, 10:07:03 -- #15985
Right
"JV, what you've said so far in this thread hit the nail right on the head. Also those guys (and I don't mean domineering men) who can truthfully say they've had no problem with women are very lucky indeed, to have found early in their adulthood a really good woman which prevented them from getting involved with judgmental controller types, etc. I also think what helps to create all of this unhappiness is that most of us (men & women) had not ideal parents. If everyone would just follow the golden rule it would do wonders for relationships." Right, but the irony for me is the fact that I had a very loving mother who did the best she could she was kind, nice, thoughful, and was always there for me. I thought thats the way things were for everbody. I was shocked to learn that men aren't taught the truth about how women can really be. Men are taught to love, care for and protect women. Women are taught to be very weary of men, this believe it or not is being taught in the public school systems. Girls are being taught that all guys want is sex and they can get raped on moments notice. See soceity paints a very negative image of men. Not only that but the very men that women complain about I noticed that they flocked too. Like I said before there are men on death row that have more prospects and dates than the average "nice guy". Lets talk about why women complain about these men but end up married to them and dating, convicts losers, drug addicts, etc. Lets discuss why women date bad boys? M'
Whacky -- 07/01/2005, 11:13:24 -- #15989

I think we all need to get past blaming our parents for things. I really thing it all boils down to one's own ability to be happy. If you're not happy on your own, you're asking for trouble if your looking for someone else to make you happy. I had a wise friend say once after she turned 40, "I think I've learned to expect less" - at first that sounds apathetic, but in the long run if you learn to expect less from others, it really makes life easier. As far as women being taught to be wary of men, maybe it's because women bear the preponderance of burden by being the ones who can end up pregnant. Often times doggy irresponsible males love em and leave em. Are you saying there are fewer dogs than there are nasty women? I don't really think so. I guess one would have to do some research, but my guess would be there are more women who have been duped than men.
sdm -- 07/01/2005, 12:11:38 -- #15991

I once had a great phych teacher who asked the class to imagine the following: You get up one morning, do you morning routine and then head out to the mailbox to get the day's junk mail. In the box you find a letter with your parents address as the return address. Worried, you quickly open it to see if there is some bad news or something, a letter from them being a bit unusual. And there you read "It is all our fault -- what ever is wrong with you is not your fault at all but entirely our doing. From now on you should never question this again." Now, I don't know that everybody got this but I sure did. The reaction? Now what? The blame has be squarly and forever placed and somehow nothing has changed. Damn, I thought it would make me feel better or something, maybe even solve some of my problems but Nooo. Now I just have to deal with my stuff myself. Tough.
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jazzvirtuoso -- 07/01/2005, 12:14:01 -- #15993
ITS ABOUT THE TRUTH
"As far as women being taught to be wary of men, maybe it's because women bear the preponderance of burden by being the ones who can end up pregnant. Often times doggy irresponsible males love em and leave em. Are you saying there are fewer dogs than there are nasty women? I don't really think so. I guess one would have to do some research, but my guess would be there are more women who have been duped than men." Its about the truth. Yes I am saying that there are more golddigging women who take advantage of men than vice versa. It sounds like to me you need to do alot of research, you have not a clue about how things really are in the world, you have bought into the lies and distortions from the feminist-hyped media. Answer these questions: 1. Who earns more men are women? 2. Who is mostly likely to initiate domestic violence, men or women? 3. Who is most likely to initate divorce proceddings? 4. Who is most likely to get the kids after a divorce men or women? 5. What happens to alot of men after they find out that a child isnt thiers and there already paying child support? 6. Why can a women get pregnant behind a mans back and then either get a abortion and he have no say in the matter or keep the child and make him pay child support? 7. Why do women recieve less jail time for identical crimes? 8. Why do women complain about bad boys and then go chasing after them to the exclusion of "good men"? 9. How come theres more funding for breast cancer than for prostate cancer? 10. How come you don't know the anwsers to these questions????(no disrespect intended, I will tell you why later) Please for this to be fair try and anwser these questions off the top of your head. The truth Is Out There JV'
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Whacky -- 07/01/2005, 13:04:09 -- #16000

"Its about the truth. Yes I am saying that there are more golddigging women who take advantage of men than vice versa." I guess we disagree. "It sounds like to me you need to do alot of research, you have not a clue about how things really are in the world, you have bought into the lies and distortions from the feminist-hyped media." I'm not interested in doing any research. I've been living in the real world for 45 years, that should suffice. I also choose not to walk around with a chip on my shoulder and give others the pwoer to control my happiness. Why would you want to do that? 1. Women 2. moot 3. moot 4. Women 5. moot 6. Because she gives birth, a man can't. 7. moot 8. moot 9. Because wome have two breasts and men only have one prostate, therefor there should be twice as much funding for breast cancer:) 10. I can't wait to hear why. (all in fun I hope:)
SolArt -- 07/01/2005, 13:17:23 -- #16001

I still say our parents & upbringing have a lot to do with how we perceive, because in this way we were programmed, & often they too were very young themselves. They definitely contributed. It's very difficult to change your programming. But of course like mentioned we are responsible for our own happiness, but it is trying when kids are ripped away but you still pay. Personally, I feel that if the mother doesn't let a normal type guy (not violent, etc) see the kids enough to satisfy him the child support should be scaled to reflect that, therefore those who try to allow no visitations should'nt expect even 1 red cent! Those types of women who like "bad boys" is probably their desire to have a "big gorilla" to protect them I guess. I read somewhere they're therefore sexually attracted to them. However,this source stated that when children come they like kinder, "softer types" which they perceive as capable to help them nurture, etc. the children.
Whacky -- 07/01/2005, 13:45:13 -- #16004

wait...#1. was supposed to be men
Whacky -- 07/01/2005, 13:49:13 -- #16005

Each and every custody case is different. It's silly for us (especially those of use who have never been divorced) to discuss it in such general terms. If you get involved with a psycho broad, you really have to blame yourself...and if you sire offspring with her, you're really an idiot. How can you blame the woman? Keep it zipped til you know what your dealing with!
SolArt -- 07/01/2005, 14:20:24 -- #16006

Those who have no experience in the matter don't understand, and I guess should refrain from speaking with authority, as to them it's just an intellectual concept and removed from reality as they haven't been in the water. Ever heard of people changing on you? And the siring came before the changing? Not to mention the trick of "I'm on the pill." Or "I'm on the pill, so why are you using protection?" (Right, then they'll get mad at you for "Don't you trust me?" etc. 'til you finally give in.) You CAN blame the woman & rightfully so, it's not nice to be deceptive like this, BOTH should agree to becoming parents. Of course any surprise children are deeply loved none-the-less. Manipulation can work very unbeknownst,& shrewdly. I guess we should keep it zipped, but that would take about four or five years to truly know what we're dealing with. So you see...
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jazzvirtuoso -- 07/01/2005, 15:17:49 -- #16009
You Got It Right!
"Those who have no experience in the matter don't understand, and I guess should refrain from speaking with authority, as to them it's just an intellectual concept and removed from reality as they haven't been in the water. Ever heard of people changing on you? And the siring came before the changing? Not to mention the trick of "I'm on the pill." Or "I'm on the pill, so why are you using protection?" (Right, then they'll get mad at you for "Don't you trust me?" etc. 'til you finally give in.) You CAN blame the woman & rightfully so, it's not nice to be deceptive like this, BOTH should agree to becoming parents. Of course any surprise children are deeply loved none-the-less. Manipulation can work very unbeknownst,& shrewdly. I guess we should keep it zipped, but that would take about four or five years to truly know what we're dealing with. So you see..." Excellent, someone who acutally understands and is not afraid of the truth. Sir, you are right those who don't know should shut up and let those who have experinced it speak. Women are master manipulaters, they speak with cunning and gile all the while hiding their alterior motives. My best friend was trapped like this(he's rich) he had dated a women for 1 year and she actually tricked him into getting her pregnant, after she got pregnant she started drinking heavily (hard liquor type heavy). Fortuantely for him he was able to get full custody though. Whacky You should have learned something in 45 years, this is truly sad. You failed this exam son!!!!!!!!!!! :( My job is not to try and change your mind you either get it or you don't. Like I've said before men are victimized twice over first by women who take advantage of the shabby laws that exist soley to appease women and support this captalistic-parasitic, downright evil monstrasity that we call democaracy; and second by people like you who refuse to admit or are too ignorant of the facts, and blame everything on men. I'm only I knew a guy like you once, he was heartbroken after he came home and found his wife in bed with another man. She too divorced him took the house and half his earnings oh did I mention the kids? She took them as well. The guy never saw it coming, but she had been screwing around on him for years! :( The truth is out there! JV'
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sdm -- 07/01/2005, 16:04:02 -- #16011

What you�re missing in all of this vitriol is something vitally important. And, yes, I do indeed speak from sad experience. The truth of the matter here is that the roles you are so angrily shouting about (and have so unwittingly bought into) are roles that were built not by any one person or group of people to cause the effects you are talking about. Rather they are roles that have evolved out of thousands of years as our societies evolved. They are indeed very different for men and women. But the really key point is that BOTH genders suffer in huge ways from these roles. An in fact, although many want to blame women for the problems, they are more an outgrowth of the development and protection of the MALE dominated world in which we live. If you want to see about the history of this, there are a couple of very good examples in the modern world. Both (and really there are many) are the more fundamentalist versions of two of the great religions of the world, Islam and Christianity. This is not rocket science, folks. The conflicts you are concerned with are real, no question. What is open to question is the solution and that, in my opinion, is the difficult, long, but essential process of creating a society that is actually built on true equality for all. Until this happens, or is at least a common goal, all is lost.
Scot -- 07/01/2005, 16:37:49 -- #16019

Someone's been listening to too much Tom Lycus and Rush Limbaugh, with a bit of paranoid delusion thrown in.
SolArt -- 07/01/2005, 16:57:16 -- #16020

Women's lib has simply swung too far over, where it enables unethical ones to have their cake & eat it too. There were reasons that for thousands of years women had not many rights, some men I know abused this, but why should innocent men (it wasn't us personally who abused them) be "paid back" by the pendulum? I don't think the sexes will EVER reach an equal plateau, more than likely due to instability (and selfishness), honestly but regrettably. Men & women are generally truly not alike; therefore equality is an impossibility.
Briarboy -- 07/01/2005, 18:42:46 -- #16025

"Sir, you are right those who don't know should shut up and let those who have experinced it speak" Great -- so only guys who already hate women get to talk in this thread? Great possibility for discussion there... "My best friend was trapped like this(he's rich) he had dated a women for 1 year and she actually tricked him into getting her pregnant..." Tricked him into getting her pregnant? Wow, he sounds like a real genius. What kind of "trick" was it by the way? BecauseI think I may have seen a Penn & Teller routine like that once... "Like I've said before men are victimized twice over first by women who take advantage of the shabby laws that exist soley to appease women and support this captalistic-parasitic, downright evil monstrasity that we call democaracy" Shabby laws that exists solely to appease women? Hmm.... yeah, those must have been the work of all the female lawmakers in this country. Oh wait -- it turns out the vast majority are men. Whoops! "The guy never saw it coming, but she had been screwing around on him for years!" Screwing around on him for years and he had no idea??? How close could they have possibly have been? How much attention could he have possibly paid her if he remained so clueless about something so fundamental? This is just a wild guess, but maybe she cheated on him because he was a lousy sexual partner, and like so many men objectified the woman and cared more about things like gawking at breasts than, say, bothering to learn where the clitoris is. Moreover, JV, since your ranting obviously (and admittedly) stems from your considerable personal failings with women, I posit the notion that perhaps you've never been able to find a good woman because you're simply not a good man. I know you seem to truly consider yourself one of the "nice guys" who inexplicably has no luck with the ladies, but maybe you're not really as nice as you think you are. I honestly don't mean to sound glib here, but did you ever think that maybe you're just a total loser, and that's why good women want nothing to do with you? I obviously don't know you well enough to make any of these assessments with total confidence, but every good woman I know would run for the hills after reading your posts, which certainly make you sound like anything but a "nice guy" so I can't help but think your problems with women are to a large extent self-created.
Briarboy -- 07/01/2005, 18:44:03 -- #16026

ps - to the extent that this can be seen as the dreaded "personal attack" on this site, it's only in response to JV's personal attacks on upwards of 3 billion human beings....
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jazzvirtuoso -- 07/01/2005, 20:03:15 -- #16027
You are correct Sol Art
"Women's lib has simply swung too far over, where it enables unethical ones to have their cake & eat it too. There were reasons that for thousands of years women had not many rights, some men I know abused this, but why should innocent men (it wasn't us personally who abused them) be "paid back" by the pendulum? I don't think the sexes will EVER reach an equal plateau, more than likely due to instability (and selfishness), honestly but regrettably. Men & women are generally truly not alike; therefore equality is an impossibility." --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ah, thou are very wise! You demonstrate a true working knowledge of the inner workings of both radical feminisim and the appalling pervasive insideous effect that it has on the very people who are enslaved too it, people who should know better, but have been fooled by the feminazi infected-media. The truth behind anything always scares us. We are all afraid of the dark. Which is the primary reason why we cannot appreciate the light or see the truth and accept it when it is given to us. It is like the man who dropped his keys on one side of the street, but looked for them on the other side. Why? Because the light was better over there. It was safer. Lies is not only a wake up call, but a warning to our world. The problem is, of course, most people do not want to rise from their sweet slumbers� D.H.Lawrence said it best, perhaps � when he said that we go through life with parasols over our heads, with a painted sky on the underside of them. Once in while we look up and admire the pretty view. When an artist sneaks up on us and cuts a hole in our parasol so that we can see the real world � we collapse and are traumatized because we are not used to the real world, the ugly truths that surround us. As soon as the hole is made, we instantly sew it back up and continue looking at the painted sky, instead of the real one. Anything real and truthful is going to be met with resistance. The truth will set you free. JV'
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Whacky -- 07/01/2005, 21:13:23 -- #16031

" My best friend was trapped like this(he's rich) he had dated a women for 1 year and she actually tricked him into getting her pregnant, after she got pregnant she started drinking heavily (hard liquor type heavy). Fortuantely for him he was able to get full custody though. That actually makes my point...seems like the court did it's job here... "Whacky You should have learned something in 45 years, this is truly sad. You failed this exam son!!!!!!!!!!! :( That's one exam I'm proud to have failed:) I thought we were going to have a civil discussion. I apologize for using the word "idiot" but I wasn't aiming that at anyone in particular, just boneheads...and they probably don't know who they are so I wasted my finger tips on it:) JV, I'm sorry about your paranoia...as you've said, the truth will set you free. And stop listening to Rush - he really is a big fat idiot:) It both amazes and scares me that he has such an effect on such a large group of men.
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/01/2005, 21:32:37 -- #16032
Wrong Again!
"I thought we were going to have a civil discussion. I apologize for using the word "idiot" but I wasn't aiming that at anyone in particular, just boneheads...and they probably don't know who they are so I wasted my finger tips on it:) And stop listening to Rush - he really is a big fat idiot:) It both amazes and scares me that he has such an effect on such a large group of men." My dear friend Whacky, I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, I am a free thinker and observor. The attacks don't bother me. Rather It reinforces my beliefs. People always react violently to the truth. In the coming weeks I shall present quite a wealth of information. I am not asking people to agree with me only to listen. "I" am having a civil discussion, others have attacked me, but I will not respond or give credence to their lack luster ad hominem style attacks. JV'
Whacky -- 07/02/2005, 06:26:24 -- #16037

peace brother:)
Scot -- 07/02/2005, 12:19:54 -- #16054

So true, the truth will set you free. But it depends on what a person believes to be the truth. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and beliefs. However, opinions are not truth. Society is kind of like a carrot that's been left out too long. The ends go bad but the middle is good. So to use the carrot you chop the ends off and you're left with a good crunchy carrot that not only is tasty, but also helps your eyesight. Society is like this carrot because on one end are femi-nazis who want to cut off one of their breasts and run around with spears killing all men. On the other side of the carrot are folks like JV who want to pick up their own clubs and arrows to fight these amazonion battle-fems. It would make a great reality tv show- women haters against men haters. It would be prime time comedy. The rest of us, the vast majority of people who are for the most part empty of anger, hate, paranoia, and other unhealthy mental problems, can go about life without being afraid some psycho is going to come up to us in the dark with a knife in the back and say, "You're of the opposite sex, I must carve you up now." Sure the legal system has problems. Every system does. Not all innocents are found innocent. Not all who are guilty are found guilty. But the vast majority of legal system outcomes are correct and that's all we can hope for. I'm truly sorry if anyone has been caught under the steamroller of the legal system, your human and legal rights being shreaded like confetti, but to take a small percentage of legal blunders and apply them to the entire system is not only a gross misrepresentation of the facts, it's dishonest. Don't take a page from the right wing. Facts are facts. You can not make them up and twist them to your own personal adgenda, though that is happening more and more with the morons who run this country (this is quite well documented). If anyone feels the average female is out to get the average male, I highly suggest getting into counseling to deal with that deepening whirlpool of paranoia. It blows me away how misguided some of the hateful messages in this room are and I hope that JV and others like him seek some sort of mental treatment to get over the obvious emotional carnage that happened to them at some point in the past so that they can get on with what life is all about. Having fun with people. Making music. Having adventures. Not worrying about stuff all the time. If you decide to get some treatment, let us know how it goes. Good luck.
7 -- 07/02/2005, 15:21:18 -- #16063

Why don't you guys who hate women just come out admit that you're a bunch of homosexuals? Your boyfriend will certainly treat you with the respect you deserve, sweetie pie.
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SolArt -- 07/02/2005, 16:15:51 -- #16065

In case you're referring to me negative on both points!
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jazzvirtuoso -- 07/02/2005, 20:52:35 -- #16072
Dont Worry about it
Don't worry about it my friend solart. These guys don't bother me they only confirm my deepest beliefs. We are living in scary times my friend. Its true that we should have and develope healthy habbits like jazz piano. These help to alleviate stress and give people goals that make life worth living. But, notice how these men have no facts to back their arguements. I presented 10 questions and no one has really tried to answer them. People react violently to the truth and dismiss it, but they do so to thier own peril. If I can get even one man to wake up to the problems that are happening in our country, then I will have served my duty. Thanks Solart and whacky for listening. I want to also thank scott for at least allowing me to voice my opinion. While I disagree with you I am thankfull for the opprtunity to do so. JV'
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/03/2005, 13:25:20 -- #16085
Yes
My wife is from that region. Yes, the women are bigger, meaner, and rude too. So what took you to germany? Do you plan on staying there? JV'
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/03/2005, 13:30:33 -- #16086
Yes
My wife is from that region. Yes, the women are bigger, meaner, and rude too. So what took you to germany? Do you plan on staying there? JV'
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/05/2005, 09:22:52 -- #16152
Feminist Lies!
"Various feminists proclaim that women are 'under siege', that a monstrous social bias against them, if not a virtual war, is going on, that women have little respect or power (Steinem, Faludi, Tavris, etc.) Yet the notion of the American woman as a powerless "victim" is one of the most absurd notions ever foisted upon anyone. American women live, on average, seven years longer than men. They control 86 % of all personal wealth [PARADE Magazine, May 27, 1990], and make up 55% of current college graduates. Women cast 54% of the votes in Presidential elections, so they can hardly claim to be left out of the political decision-making process! They win almost automatically in child custody disputes. Women suffer only 6% of the work-related fatalities (the other 94% are suffered by men). Women are the victim of only about 35% of violent crimes, and only about 25% of all murders, yet because of our society's exaggerated concern and respect for them, special legislation has been passed to punish "violence against women" as if it were a more heinous crime than "violence against men". (Feminists claim to want "equality", and this is an example of what "equality" means to them, i.e., preferential treatment to address their concerns). Two out of every three dollars spent on health care is spent on women, and even if you don't count pregnancy-related care, women still receive more medical care than men - yet feminists still holler that womens health is being "neglected", and far too many of us credulously believe them. Of the 25 worst jobs, as ranked by the Jobs Related Almanac based on a combination of salary, stress, security, and physical demands, 24 of them are predominantly, if not almost entirely, male, which might explain why men commit over 80% of all suicides. (Most of these statistics come from The Myth of Male Power by Warren Farrell.) Now, if it were really the case, as feminists claim, that men have selfishly arranged everything to be wonderful for themselves, absolutely ignoring womens' legitimate concerns and needs, would the above be true? Of course not. It is much more realistic to suggest that women have cleverly seized the upper hand by pretending to be helplessly trapped below! Looking at the full picture, and not the tiny, distorted one that feminists and those they have duped present, we see a very different picture: The American woman emerges as perhaps the most privileged large group in history, enjoying a never-before- seen level of affluence, power, leisure, and health, supported by the work, discipline, and self-effacing, life-destroying exertions of a group they have bamboozled - their men - into believing their cries of "victimization". The links below will help you to start finding your way out of the familiar maze of feminist lies. Click here to read my article, Feminism, The Noble Lie Take Back the Campus: refuting the Ten Most Common Feminist Myths (which are more accurately termed "lies," because feminists just keep on promoting them with reckless disregard for truth, no matter how many times the falsehood of these claims is pointed out to them.)." JV'
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/05/2005, 09:55:05 -- #16154

As for contemporary American society: women live an average of seven years longer than men; female-headed households have a net worth that averages 41% higher than those of male-headed ones (and this in spite of the fact that the average woman works far fewer hours per year than the average man). Women make up 55% of current college graduates. They claim to be discriminated against in politics, yet cast 7 million more votes than men in electing presidents. They win almost automatically in child custody disputes. Victims of violent crime are overwhelmingly male, and wives assault husbands more frequently than the reverse. Women can murder a sleeping husband or lover in cold blood, then claim the "battered woman" defense, and very likely receive only the lightest sentence or perhaps even no sentence at all, even in the absence of any proof that they were actually "battered!" (There is no "battered man" defense.) If convicted of a felony, a man serves out a sentence averaging more than 50% longer than a woman convicted of the same crime, and a man in prison is more than ten times as likely to die there than is a woman. Mens' suicide rate is four times that of women. Twenty-four out of the twenty-five jobs ranked "worst" in terms of pay and working conditions by the Jobs Related Almanac have one thing in common: they are all 95%-100% male. Of those killed in work-related accidents, 94% are men, as were 96% of those killed in the Gulf War. If men have supposedly arranged everything to be so wonderful for themselves, then why are they dying, being mutilated, murdered, or killing themselves at rates vastly higher than those of women, who end up with more money in spite of having worked less? [13] By ignoring inconvenient facts like the above, feminists continue to promote the myth that women are the "victims" of an unjust society created and run by powerful, uncaring males for their own personal gain. In reality, it makes much more sense to call contemporary American women "privileged" than "oppressed!" The world-view erected by contemporary Politically Correct feminism, the only kind that plays any role in shaping public policy, is a house of cards. It requires its adherent to jump from one unsteady limb to another, never quite sure whether sex differences in behavior are illusory, or very real but ex cathedra insignificant; uncertain whether women behave exactly the same as men, or are emotionally and morally superior, oriented toward life (unlike men, who love death); switching from "absolute egalite" to "special provisions," depending on which confers greater advantage in the circumstance. Women are simultaneously strong and independent, fully prepared to prevail in the hell of combat, yet at the same time so weak as to need special rules under which they receive compensatory advantages to assist them in competition with men; they also need legal protection against unwanted sexual advances and dirty jokes. This is much like a magician's silk that appears to have a different color each time it is revealed. Experience has shown that these objections to feminist absurdities are answered far more with ad hominem insults and expressions of moral outrage than with reasoned argument; such are the defenses employed by illusionists who are infuriated when their deceptions are revealed. JV'
The Pat Metheny Songbook: 167 tunes, 400 pages/lead sheets
Whacky -- 07/05/2005, 11:44:09 -- #16158

90% of all statistics are made up on the spot -:) All kidding aside, even if all those stats are accurate....so what? It doesn't really bother me. Maybe it's their turn? Why does it bother you? What difference does it make in your life? How does your wife feel about all of this? Do you care?
Birks Works: Our world to Birk is but a shell for the real universe.
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/05/2005, 12:09:36 -- #16159
Experience
Experience has shown that these objections to feminist absurdities are answered far more with ad hominem insults and expressions of moral outrage than with reasoned argument; such are the defenses employed by illusionists who are infuriated when their deceptions are revealed.
Whacky -- 07/05/2005, 13:44:29 -- #16163

well, no insults intended...conversation over:) peace
sid -- 07/06/2005, 02:57:29 -- #16196

Here's a statistic for you: Women live longer than men because of the cumulative beneficial effect of sitting down every time they visit the bathroom. Gonna change your habits? I have.
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/06/2005, 07:05:05 -- #16208

Experience has shown that these objections to feminist absurdities are answered far more with ad hominem insults and expressions of moral outrage than with reasoned argument; such are the defenses employed by illusionists who are infuriated when their deceptions are revealed.
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/06/2005, 07:16:53 -- #16210
Criticism
If any criticism is heard of feminism, the feminist community immediately interprets this to be a form of violence. The same holds if somebody has a different opinion. They deem it `structural' violence if reality is not subdued to the dictatorship of their doctrine. Most men nowdays are feminists too.
The Pat Metheny Songbook: 167 tunes, 400 pages/lead sheets
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/06/2005, 07:17:04 -- #16211
Criticism
If any criticism is heard of feminism, the feminist community immediately interprets this to be a form of violence. The same holds if somebody has a different opinion. They deem it `structural' violence if reality is not subdued to the dictatorship of their doctrine. Most men nowdays are feminists too.
Birks Works: Our world to Birk is but a shell for the real universe.
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/06/2005, 07:42:15 -- #16212
Criticism
If any criticism is heard of feminism, the feminist community immediately interprets this to be a form of violence. The same holds if somebody has a different opinion. They deem it `structural' violence if reality is not subdued to the dictatorship of their doctrine. Most men nowdays are feminists too.
Scot -- 07/06/2005, 09:35:37 -- #16220

There's a psychological defense mechanism that I think you should read about. It's called projection.
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/06/2005, 13:51:02 -- #16226
I Didn't Know That....
You were into phycology/psychiatry. How many sessions did you spend there and do you still go? Did it work out well for you? Was it worth it?
Whacky -- 07/06/2005, 15:35:02 -- #16230

I know you didn't ask me, but I went to a psychologist/counselor once a week for a month a few years ago and it was well worth it! She helped me to release a lot of negative thoughts and perceptions. I think everyone should try it. Nothing like an objective third party with some experience and intellect to help you sort things out from time to time... I don't mean this as an attack, but I am concerned about some of the statements you've made. Too many negative thoughts can be poisonous. I hope you'll give counseling a try...
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/07/2005, 10:16:46 -- #16257
OK, Thanks
"I know you didn't ask me, but I went to a psychologist/counselor once a week for a month a few years ago and it was well worth it! She helped me to release a lot of negative thoughts and perceptions. I think everyone should try it. Nothing like an objective third party with some experience and intellect to help you sort things out from time to time... I don't mean this as an attack, but I am concerned about some of the statements you've made. Too many negative thoughts can be poisonous. I hope you'll give counseling a try..." --------------------------------------------------------------------- So tell me whack what issues were you dealing with when you went into counseling?
The Pat Metheny Songbook: 167 tunes, 400 pages/lead sheets
Whacky -- 07/07/2005, 10:53:47 -- #16258

Not enough room to discuss it all here, and most of it's quite personal, but the orignal reason for going was my wife and I had somewhat grown apart and so we sought counseling. We went together once, then I went by myself three more times.In short, I was dealing with a lot of turmoil that had nothing really to do with my wife. As a result a had some depression and felt somewhat trapped and not in control of my life. The things I could control were eating and drinking. I lost a lot of weight, quit drinking alcohol, and basically lived my life being wound way too tight. I learned to loosen up on my expectations of others and myself...I began accepting things I couldn't change, and changing the things I could. I made myself sit quietly in the sun for an hour each day. I couldn't hardly stand it at first, but I did learn to "cool out" yada yada... Mainly I learned that most people do the best they can, and it may not be as good as I think it should be, but that is really their problem and not mine. I also was shown discrepancies in my perceptions of others, that actually proved to be a relief. Now I just love everybody:)
Birks Works: Our world to Birk is but a shell for the real universe.
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/08/2005, 12:06:31 -- #16294
Hey Whack
I bet your wife was really happy that you went to therapy huh? JV'
Whacky -- 07/08/2005, 19:04:02 -- #16302

Yeah, I've gained 40 pounds, drink beer now and then and truly enjoy life - I had way too much self discipline before:) Life is too short too spend it like that My kids go once in a while too. It's been a very nice thing for all of us...
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/09/2005, 09:17:53 -- #16320
Thanks
Hey thanks man you and SolArt are the only two who've listened with an open mind, everybody else sat back and judged, but anyway god bless you, you are a rare person. JV'
Whacky -- 07/09/2005, 10:53:34 -- #16326

Thanks, and God bless you too.
Tiny Tim -- 07/09/2005, 12:08:51 -- #16329

God bless us, every one!
Straight, No Chaser: Life and Genius of Thelonious Monk
Kai -- 07/10/2005, 11:04:53 -- #16351

JV - No, I, and I suspect, many others, have listened with a lot of sympathy. Sometimes you just don't know what to say. I have grown up children (one of each gender) and I don't know what to say to them either about this subject, even though we have experience of a similar situation. Kai.
The Worms of the Mind: an infinite field of black mud with grub-like worms wriggling about in the dim light of the subconscious.
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/19/2005, 06:29:40 -- #16721
Truth!
"All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed, Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
Whacky -- 07/19/2005, 14:12:25 -- #16730

That reminds me of a similar statement - something like: "if anything is repeated enough times, people will eventually believe it"
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/19/2005, 14:27:09 -- #16731
Earth To Whacky!
Wow, how enlightening! ;O
Whacky -- 07/19/2005, 15:11:45 -- #16737

In case you missed my point, Mr. Schopenhauer's statement is true of both truths and non truths.
sdm -- 07/19/2005, 15:35:10 -- #16738

Whack -- your quote is from Goebbels - Nazi propaganda chief. �If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Appropriate, eh?
Straight, No Chaser: Life and Genius of Thelonious Monk
Whacky -- 07/19/2005, 18:41:17 -- #16746

heh heh...thanks:)
The Worms of the Mind: an infinite field of black mud with grub-like worms wriggling about in the dim light of the subconscious.
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/19/2005, 19:04:46 -- #16749
Nope!
Nope, you my dear friend have created a logical fallacy of extreme proportions. Facts exists and stand independant of mere personal opinions, prefrences, wishes, hopes, dreams, fantasies and delusions. What we have here is a non-sequitur. By saying that "Mr. Schopenhauer's statement is true of both truths and non truths" You suggest that any manner of things could be infered to be true and false. They cannot be both!!! Therefore a statement is either true(wheter you have observed it or not)or false. For example The sun does not exist is a false statement! The sun is a star; is a True statement. What Mr Schopenhauer was alluding to in case you missed his point is this: ideas that are falsifiable will eventually be proved to be true or false. People get used to believing and behaving a certain way and never stop and question the why's or how's. Then when someone presents factual information, people get upset because now they have to change thier paradigm or else wallow in thier own ignorance. If this is over your head I apologize. For years people thought that the earth was sqaure. Later people thought that it was round or spherelike when in fact its neither; the earth is a triaxial ellipsoid, not a sphere. Notice that the evidence needed to back this up isn't merely anecdotal, but scientific. And there is data that can substantiate this. :) You, on the other hand submitted a non-falsifiable statement, that is something that is intangiable and that cannot be tested. Therefore your premise is utterly meaningless. Please come back When you have something more concrete to offer. JV'
Whacky -- 07/19/2005, 21:04:35 -- #16751

I truly believe that the truth eventually bubbles to the surface...someday you'll see it:) (and don't tell me the earth is a traxial ellipsoid - as far as I can tell it is flat:)
Whacky -- 07/19/2005, 21:06:14 -- #16752

I get the impression we are pulling each other's leg for fun - I hope I'm right about that:)
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/19/2005, 22:56:51 -- #16756
LOL.
Yep, your a good sport whack. I guess, I shouldn't be so hard on you, since your one of the few who'll talk to me. :0 JV'
Whacky -- 07/19/2005, 23:50:52 -- #16758

heh heh...
Straight, No Chaser: Life and Genius of Thelonious Monk
Kai -- 07/20/2005, 08:42:16 -- #16762

"Then when someone presents factual information, people get upset because now they have to change thier paradigm." Why do people get upset? A paradigm is only a model or example in my dictionary. I believe that paradigm's only last until RELIABLE research provides evidence to challenge said paradigm. What we need here is good 'change management'. :) Kai
The Worms of the Mind: an infinite field of black mud with grub-like worms wriggling about in the dim light of the subconscious.
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/20/2005, 12:03:39 -- #16765
Good Point
Yep! JV'
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/29/2005, 00:21:14 -- #17025
The Truth About Women!
The Truth About Women In this world, there are two types of women: women that you would love to be with, and women that would love to be with you. THERE IS NO UNION OF THESE TWO TYPES. Any woman that you become extremely attracted to will tell you that you are the best friend that a woman could ever have. Being told that you are nice is: the equivalent to her saying, "I wish that you were my brother." a curse. her way of saying that "I hope we can just be friends. A Slut is a woman that will sleep with anyone. A Bitch is a woman that will sleep with anyone but you. All women are Bitches. Only beautiful women who are engaged or engaged to be engaged or married or your mother's best friend will think that you are a wonderful person that any woman would die for. These same women will be completely dumbfounded at the revelation that you don't go out with a hundred women a week. Much less one. When a woman says "No!" she really means "Yes!" -- except, of course, when she means "NO!" Unless you make over a million dollars a year, you must completely ignore and demean a woman to gain here affection. If you completely disregard her existence, she'll die for you. The degree of subtlety used by a woman is inversely proportional to how attracted you are to her. If you are absolutely in love with everything about her, her hints will amount to, "I really like your roommates new shoes." If you have no attraction to her what-so-ever, she will ask you to come spend a week with her in the Bahamas. A woman will confide in you that she slept with your best friend and that he treated her like dirt afterwards. She will go on-and-on for hours, until she builds up enough nerve to ask him out again. Every woman that you meet that you are instantly attracted to will be: Married, heavily dating the same guy for the 3rd year, a lesbian my brother's ex-girlfriend. A "Taken" woman will tell you that you are a great-looking guy, but that looks don't matter anyway and that she'd go out with you if she wasn't already dating someone. "Taken" women are the only women capable of understanding your wonderful sense of humor, you amazing musical talent, your tremendous sensitivity, and gracious generosity.
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/29/2005, 01:23:13 -- #17026
Women And Truth!
Mention the word "Truth" to a woman and she will simply stare at you as if you were an alien from another planet. Her feminine upbringing has long ago closed her mind to such a possibility. Her truths pertain solely to the world of emotions. If she were fortunate enough ever to catch a glimpse of what it means to be truthful, she would immediately brand it the most inhuman of all things. And she would be right. If one is going to transcend all things, then one must renounce all things. This is easy enough to understand; the difficulty lies in actually doing it. It requires a tremendous faith in reason to be able to renounce everything in the world - including things like love and happiness and security - purely for an abstract principle such as truth. Can you honestly conceive of a woman living for truth? She is completely oblivious to even the very notion of truth, let alone the importance of pursuing it. But what of men? Are they any better? Sad to say, most men lead mediocre lives and as such are no better than women. Nevertheless, it remains true that men as a whole are much nearer to the ideal than women. Whereas it will always be the case that a small proportion of men will have potential for wisdom, there is barely a single woman who can claim even this. The true test of a person's spirituality is his relationship to woman - or, I should say, his lack of relationship to woman. If he has anything to do with her at all, it is only to denounce her. He speaks openly against the feminine - that is, he speaks against everything humanity values. And why? His love of truth demands it. It is called teaching the world about God. When I use the terms "man" and "woman", I refer first and foremost to the masculine and feminine minds. Men generally possess masculine minds and women generally possess feminine minds. It is a generalisation, yes, and I am open to the possibility that there could be exceptions, but I think that the exceptions are in reality so rare that the generalisation can be thought of as a solid truth. The female, especially, embodies the feminine to a very high degree and so I have no qualms about interchanging the terms "woman" and "feminine mind" freely. I am fully aware that this type of thinking clashes with the ethos of our times. Our age no longer believes in cut and dried truths. It assumes things are too complex for most generalizations to work and our knowledge too limited to establish anything of certainty. While this is perfectly true in most worldly issues, wherein the finite mind has to cope with an infinite number of factors, it nevertheless breaks down in matters of the spirit. As far as wisdom is concerned, everything is black and white. For example, a person either understands ultimate reality or he does not. He either has an ego or he does not. He either has potential for spirituality or he does not. I put it to you that everything a woman does obstructs the growth of wisdom. This is no exaggeration. Truth and femininity are poles apart with an infinite space between them. For a woman to cast her gaze in the direction of truth requires her to turn away from everything that is womanly, and this is impossible for her. She cannot even conceive of doing it. This is a harsh fact for women to face, especially for those few who have within themselves the genuine seeds of idealism. Nature has dealt a hard blow to the weaker sex. She has discriminated unfairly against women and there seems to be nothing at present we can do about it. By all accounts, women are destined to remain the happy, charming, mindless creatures they are.
Whacky -- 07/29/2005, 13:03:41 -- #17043

Assuming we're having a discussion and not an argument, I have a problem with the above mentioned generalizations being referred to as "truth". Generalizations, cannot be truths. They are two different animals. I think most men (another generalization) have probably experienced some or all of what you've described, but I don't see any of that as startling or dissapointing in any way. Bottom line: so what? Men and women are different - live with it. Learn to play the game or avoid it. The choice is yours. To me relationships are like finger prints; no two are exactly alike - that's what makes the world go around. I find women fascinating. If they were just like me, I'd probably find them boring (and pretty ugly) and never procreate:)
jazzvirtuoso -- 07/29/2005, 20:54:40 -- #17064
Thanks!
Men and women are different - live with it. Learn to play the game or avoid it Thanks, I think I will avoid it! Of course you are correct the article wasn't meant to be taken for real it was all in fun. So this time you are spot on in your observations. Actually you used my own logic against me, I see I have taught you well grashopper! :) JV'
Straight, No Chaser: Life and Genius of Thelonious Monk
Whacky -- 07/30/2005, 11:08:28 -- #17073

heh heh:)
The Worms of the Mind: an infinite field of black mud with grub-like worms wriggling about in the dim light of the subconscious.
jpof -- 08/05/2005, 13:35:25 -- #17331

"Women and men are not equal, they are complementary." - Some wise person Can we go back to playing fucking music now? Regards, John
jazzvirtuoso -- 08/16/2005, 13:19:14 -- #17674
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925268/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925268/ I get so tired of the legal inequities in this country. This *&&^%%#$ woman sleeps with a 13 y.o. student and pleas her way down to 9 mos. That is such a crock of $hit. If this had been a man, 5-10 and labled a sexual predator for life. Give me a freakin' break. JV'
Whacky -- 08/16/2005, 15:51:38 -- #17678

You gotta point there - that really is B.S.
SolArt -- 08/16/2005, 17:09:06 -- #17681

Amen.
jazzvirtuoso -- 08/26/2005, 14:40:29 -- #18043
We Have Lost!
Males have no option. The only choice that males have is to say yes or no to a relationship with a Woman. If they say yes, then that relationship will be completely on her terms. This may also be true in a vanilla relationship, but the pretense of male superiority is usually maintained for the male ego. The male ego. What a joke. It isn't called ego, but rather, the male ego, which implies it's illusory. Males are saying, that simply because we're male, we are superior and stronger. Women have always known that's a lie, and so have men in their hearts. We use it to convince ourselves that we have a right to be in control, and women have helped us to foster that illusion out of love. They must bare partial responsibility for the millenia of wrong thinking, regardless of their motives. About 100 years ago women banded together and began to test this myth. In a relatively short time they have brought it crashing down. The Emperor has no clothes. There is not a single area of life in which the Female is not superior. Science has proven that Women are smarter, and use more of their brains; they have 3-4 times the stamina of the male; they handle pain better; their bodies are simply better built to handle the stresses of life; They are sexually, emotionally, spiritually, and socially in a different class. From a different planet even. (men are from Mars, Women from Venus.) That leaves males hanging onto the belief that we are physically stronger. Sure a taller, heavier male is stronger than a smaller Female opponent, but when the sexes are of an equal size, the Female is usually victorious. The belief that Females don't have upper body strength, has been shown to be simply because they haven't developed it. As Women increase in dominance they are also becoming bigger. Look at the number of six foot women you see every day on the subway. And they aren't six foot because of heels. Tall Women often wear flats-to protect some male's ego. They have just published the results of the 2000 Census in Canada and a very interesting statistic shows up. In 1972 the average 18 year old male was 5'9" and weighed 170. The average 18 year old Female was 5'3.5", weighed 130. In 2000, the average 18 year old male was 5'11" and weighed 185. The average 18 year old Female was 5'8" and weighed 160. That must be one of the largest growth spurts in history. If present trends continue, males and Females will be within 10 pounds and .5 inches of each other. My Superior One once showed me an article about Girls on boys' high school wrestling teams. Each of the teams had one or two Girls. During practices the Girls consistently beat the boys, even those that were bigger and more experienced. During inter-school matches, the Girls were always at the top or near the top in numbers of bouts won. Every single coach said that pound for pound the Girls were the best wrestlers on their teams. A number of current television shows and films have strong Female heroines, that regularly beat up male opponents. With the exception of Xena, these aren't Amazons, but normal sized Women. And they don't just beat up the larger males, they destroy them. Sure it's fiction, but these programs are aimed at children and teenagers, and these images stick. We all know, that when we see a Female and a male fight on T.V., who is going to be the winner. A Female teenager in the past would rarely think about a fighting a boy, but now she isn't afraid, because these shows tell her not only is it possible to beat a male, it's probable. And males, although taught never to hit a Girl, must now also have an edge of fear about being humiliated. The Genie is out of her bottle and males can't put her back in. Males won't be able to band together against Women, they way they did against us. We don't work that well as a team. Plus the Women were fighting an inferior foe, but we would be tackling a vastly Superior one. A Superior one that outnumbers us. So males had better get in touch with their submissive natures, and learn to serve the Female. That is why we were created. To make the Female's life easier and more enjoyable, as we grow and mature and learn from her. She allows us to share her life, and gives us access, on her terms, to the mind, soul and glorious sacred body, that is the Supreme Creation on this planet. We cannot ignore that this is happening. Nor can we pretend that it isn't right. It is. It is the proper relationship between the sexes. You repeat often on your web site that sexual pleasure is for the Female. Of course this is obviously true. The male orgasm is directly related to procreation, whereas the Female's multiple orgasms are for pleasure. The clitoris and the G spot serve only as pleasure centers. Most women don't achieve orgasm through intercourse, but require manual and oral stimulation. Males can achieve orgasm in a remarkably short time, but the Female needs to be worshipped in many ways, and build Her pleasure. God may have given Females their enormous ability to achieve sexual pleasure to make up for the pain of child-birth and shame on we males who have deprived them of this God-given gift for so many millenia. The Battle of the Sexes is over and we have lost decisively. On every battle front. Nothing we can do will change it. The pendulum will not swing back. This is how it will be from here on. We have no choice but to accept it. Welcome to the future. Hail the glorious Female. Long may She reign. JV'
Straight, No Chaser: Life and Genius of Thelonious Monk
Whacky -- 08/27/2005, 16:58:21 -- #18086

:)
The Worms of the Mind: an infinite field of black mud with grub-like worms wriggling about in the dim light of the subconscious.
mynameis -- 11/09/2005, 19:46:41 -- #20756

Do women prefer circumsized penis or uncircumsized penis.
Gillie -- 11/10/2005, 07:44:22 -- #20791

Go away
SolArt -- 03/25/2006, 04:57:50 -- #25585
Observation
Some thing worth mentioning is that a woman can have two worlds & switch freely between them: she can behave as a "man", or as a woman, whereas a man is just a man. Nothing to do with music anyhow. But actually this in unfair to men.
jazzvirtuoso -- 03/29/2006, 15:48:27 -- #25797
Womens Entitlement!
Good point SolArt. Men are responsible for everything that they do, but women are to be treated as superior citizens who are entitled to privileges and benefits because of their gender alone. I think women have too many choices nowdays... There are a few area's in which women feel entitled to play both sides esp in regard to abortion, child custody, domestic abuse, etc. Women say that they were opprssed, but never discuss the ways in which men have been oppressed. The least of these being conscription with men going off to fight wars and die for women and children. The same women who were spared from these atrocities only later turning around complaining that they were being held down and discriminated against because of their gender. Ever notice how point's like these are conveniently and routinely left out of feminist propaganda? As far as it pertains to Jazz.... I see women doing all kind of things in music. If a women can play, sing, or whatever and is good at what she does then i will work with her. The sky is the limit. Women, who complain about being held down nowdays are just making excuses for their own failure. Honestly, do you think that women really ever oppressed in the west? See this article: http://www.angryharry.com/eswerewomenoppressedinthewest.htm JV'
jazzvirtuoso -- 03/30/2006, 10:45:04 -- #25827

Hmm?
Straight, No Chaser: Life and Genius of Thelonious Monk
jazzvirtuoso -- 04/04/2006, 09:36:48 -- #25998
I agree
Yep! Its normally the women who are at fault and stats show that in the breakups its the women who initiate 80-90% of the divorces! But, what I really can't stand are people who makes excuses for poor behaviour. In other words both men and women excuse "womens" bad behaviour. What's really needed (but not happening) is men like me and you who will speak out on the issue's. Too many men let women get away with bad behaviour. Speaking of rude behaviour.... I will recount a situation that happened to me quite recently! I walked into a walgrens store the other night(around 12:30)on to buy some benydryl so that I could get some sleep. Anyway, the girl (kelli) at the counter had a terrible attitude. It took me a moment to find my "pin" for my card. But before I could find it, she got impatient and actually threw my benydryl into the little blue bucket that was sitting on the ground. When I asked her if she was aware of what she had did she said (in a sarcastic tone): "Do you want it or not" I said sure if you can give me a moment to type in my pin number, but why do you have to be so rude about it? She paused and then turned off the register (she actually locked it with the key). At this point i asked to speak to a manager, she refused to call one, so i went into the back of the store and found one myself. He identified himself I believe as a Mr Butler! He did very little to remedy the situation and seemed to be able to exert very little authority over the Irate employee who was very "out" of control. When she saw me coming out the back with the manager she immediately started yelling, cursing and actually called me a bitch. she then walked up on me as if to hit me. I advised her that it would be foolish to make a bad situation worse. Then she started saying "hit me I wont you to hit me". "Come on hit me!" I told her that i don't fight women, but that if she laid one finger on me i would call the police. The manager got in-between us and pulled her off to the back, he told me to wait a minute. While in the back I could hear the manager telling her over and over to be quiet and shut up but she refused to do it, rather she kept cursing and yelling. Finally, when he came back outside I asked him what the district managers name was and he gave me a card with the info on it. I asked him what was going to come of this and he told me that she probably wouldn't be fired cuz she needed a job. When I asked Mr Butler, what the store number was he gave me a bogus number of xxx. After speaking with A lady named Audelia I was surprised to learn that it is actually xxxx. Mr Butler should be ashamed of himself! But, of course he was probably screwing her. When I spoke with the store manager and he said that he would be making a determination on it, but that sounded very vauge to me. How can employee's be allowed to treat customers like this and still keep thier jobs is beyond me!!?? Of course if it was a man he would have probably been fired on the spot. So, I called the coporate office and got the district manager involved! After, speaking back and forth with him about this matter, he recommended that she be fired! :) Have you noticed that women everywhere seem to be getting ruder? JV'
tabithablue -- 05/09/2006, 17:33:23 -- #27103
from a (so called) woman's point of view
Yes, sure there are women who take advantage of men. There are ways that a woman can trick a man into getting her pregnant. Remember, it only takes a bit of the stuff to do the trick. But what about the good women who get stuck with creeps? After all, not all women that are "bitchy gold-digging" types. How about (male) musicians who marry rich girls for money, instead of marrying their ahem fellow musicians? I wanted to have kids; my ex didn't. I could've tricked him, but it is against my religion to do so. So now here I am, 39, divorced, no man (fornication is against my beliefs) and I will probably never have kids. Meanwhile, my friend Dennis is going through a divorce. His hellish wife had an affair, ran around with a nut she met online. He is going through hell, will probably lose his kids and house to her. It isn't fair that good people often suffer and evil people seem to get ahead, but I believe that it all comes out in the wash. Eventually, those who cheat and lie will get theirs, even if it's just that they can't sleep at night. If you have faith, you learn to have patience. Regarding feminism and the courts, I think the courts have become a bit too biased towards women in regards to custody (incidentally, I was raised by my Dad after my parents' divorce- so it's not always the Mother who wins). You have to look at the reasons for this bias- there was a time not too long ago when women couldn't vote, own property or raise kids on their own at all. So it's gone a bit too far. In the US and Europe, as well as places like Australia, Canada, etc., it seems as though women have it made- they have all of the opportunities that men have, plus are granted special "minority" status, despite the fact that they are the majority of the population. But look at the rest of the world, and you see that women are treated like chattel- in the Middle East, women can't go out of the house, drive a car, or marry whom they choose..... so it depends on where you are. Every "nice guy" I've met has been with at least one evil bitch- so what? Every woman I've met has been with a jerk. And for every lying woman, ther is a cheating, abusive man. The content of your character has nothing to do with gender. We are all human beings. (Well, except for me- I'm an elf!) :-D The bottom line is there shouldn't be a "war of the sexes". I cringe whenever I read so-called "funny" articles that are man-bashing. Why is it verboten to be sexist against women, but it's "PC" to bash men? Let's all learn to love one another.
SolArt -- 05/14/2006, 10:22:12 -- #27196

"Its normally the women who are at fault and stats show that in the breakups its the women who initiate 80-90% of the divorces! But, what I really can't stand are people who makes excuses for poor behaviour. In other words both men and women excuse "womens" bad behaviour." When women run off with the children for often SELFISH reasons & deny you your legal rights you are as a man simply %&�%ed. You can't make it good. This is something you take to the grave and the WOMAN can often be blamed. Also what happened in the past with women has nothing to do with today's man. Do guys jump up & down like a child to get what they want? Hardly ever... "Modern society" is at fault for destroying the family and it certainly is of no benefit whatsoever for the children who are often robbed of a real family. Women's lib? Ptui! It's done more harm than good.
Kai -- 05/15/2006, 14:12:02 -- #27229

"Modern society" is at fault for destroying the family. How True and re your quote "Evil men ...", it is the, so-called 'good people' who do nothing and thereby allow the evil men to form coteries who then can act without recourse to public discussion or democratic voting. IMHO, of course.
SolArt -- 05/15/2006, 18:58:07 -- #27233

Thanks Kai. Also your HO is accurate I would say.
jazzvirtuoso -- 09/05/2006, 12:46:35 -- #29665

"Modern society" is at fault for destroying the family." Good point, I think thats one point thats often overlooked. The greedy capatilistic society that we live in is the root cause of the problem. There are other sites that talk about the problem. One of them is angryharry.com and americanwomensuck.com. Cheers JV'
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jazzvirtuoso -- 10/02/2006, 11:45:03 -- #30219
Accurate description of Feminism
http://www.americanwomensuck.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6763
Scot -- 11/11/2006, 10:11:21 -- #31088
Another viewpoint
This essay is also true: http://www.pkblogs.com/stevegilliard/2004_03_29_stevegilliard_archive.html
jazzvirtuoso -- 12/23/2006, 10:52:48 -- #31901
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