| LearnJazzPiano.com archives: Transposing Idea, VocalThoughts | |
| sykora -- 09/30/2006, 09:21:07 -- #30171 | |
| A gimmick that's used in a lot of music seems to be modulation up a half step in the middle of the song. If you are really comfortable in a certain key, this might be a real pain when you first try it out, but it really helps out in learning different keys - plus it sounds hip (and sometimes cheezy too). I've been reworking The Phantom of the Opera and I've noticed that they play themes over and over in several keys, often times even in the same tune (though they also do this across songs as well)... the melody of the original version of the song "Phantom of the Opera" is played in Dm, Gm, Em, Fm, and I think it goes to Am at the very end. I also noticed this when I learned "Be My Guest" from Aladdin, the music in the actual movie track modulates to at least 4 different keys, not to mention the main melody itself has a key change in it. I feel like musical/show tune-type songs have a lot more modulations than straight-up jazz tunes. So, not being a lead vocalist, it always surprises me when singers say they don't like a certain key... sounds like they're forced to sing things in a lot of different keys anyways | |
| SolArt -- 10/01/2006, 12:17:08 -- #30171 | |
| La Mer. | |
| Mike -- 10/01/2006, 14:13:56 -- #30171 | |
| Singers rarely if ever know what they are talking about when it comes to key. It is crap shoot really. You just hope that they have remembered correctly the keythat the last musician that did know what they were doing that figured out about key that fit there range told them. Then if they have a list of their keys that is a crap shoot too because they almost never have paid the person who helped organize their key list.. So the musician who suposedly did know what they were doing was a marginal musician at best. What they wrote down for the singers key is often in reality the first chord of the song... quite different from the key.... But you can not rely on this throughout the list. Some songs they will get it right and the Letter listed will be the key and not the first chord. How do you tell the difference. You can't. Hopefully you are playing in an inner city club... You spot an unsavory sport... you slip them a fifty and tell them to take the singer out in the alley and cut their throat. You finish the gig playing great instrumental music. re the Guild: I said I would start watching the joking... I am serious. re Worrying about sounding too cheezy.... Don't. in most instances Cheezy = sexy | |
| SolArt -- 10/02/2006, 10:18:13 -- #30171 | |
| Singers sure have it made, eh? That's one reason I'm concentrating a lot on singing. However it really aggravates me how many don't even own a microphone. It's really important to warm up first with vocal exercises. Mike, you sound mighty experienced, however... your humor sounds scary. | |
| Mike -- 10/03/2006, 04:34:18 -- #30171 | |
| I would contend, ah, that experience will make one scary. | |
| Mike -- 10/03/2006, 04:34:54 -- #30171 | |
| for example... take a look at 7... There is one experienced dude. | |
| johnq -- 10/03/2006, 06:54:50 -- #30171 | |
| I think singers do get told a lot of crap by people and they sometimes lap it up. One singer I know was told that F was his key. I asked which song and he said he'd been told F was his key regardless of the song! | |
| 7 -- 10/03/2006, 10:08:43 -- #30171 | |
| Jimi Hendrix was experienced too. "Not necessarily stoned, but beautiful" Thx Mike! | |
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