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| Mike -- 10/24/2006, 17:43:36 -- #30673 | |
| how do you pracitice your Circle of Fourths? | |
| casparus -- 10/24/2006, 19:12:47 -- #30673 | |
| I didn't know I had a circle. | |
| rtackett -- 10/24/2006, 21:48:31 -- #30673 | |
| I start in the key of C and do a ii-V-I, ie. D-,G7, Cmaj. I then make the c a C- and do a ii-V-I in Bb, ie. C-, F7, Bbmaj. After six iterations, you're back in C. I then move up a half step to Db and repeat the process six more times which gets the rest of the keys. I picked this routine up from the Aebersold ii-V-I volume. | |
| Mike -- 10/24/2006, 23:48:36 -- #30673 | |
| yes we all have many circles actually. We have a Circle of fifths and thirds as well although our circle of thirds ends up looking a liitle trianglular and our circle of minor thirds a little square. thx rtackett... I was forgetting that way... that is a good way of practicing the C of 4. | |
| sdm -- 10/25/2006, 09:57:43 -- #30673 | |
| Anything I take through the keys follows the circle. Scales, chords, whatever. I currently spend some time doing excercises in one key during the first part of my practice. I move from key to key each day and follow the circle for that. | |
| jmkarns -- 10/25/2006, 10:23:39 -- #30673 | |
| Why not just practice songs that are in these keys and change keys? | |
| sdm -- 10/25/2006, 15:08:16 -- #30673 | |
| Just don't have the time. Simple as that. | |
| 7 -- 10/25/2006, 22:09:25 -- #30673 | |
| I "practice" circular progressions by learning songs that contain circular progressions. Considering that the vast majority of songs are composed of circular progressions, the problem is easily solved in an extremely practical way by using real world materials (that I can consequently play in public and make money at). | |
| Brotherdavies -- 10/26/2006, 06:10:39 -- #30673 | |
| I am taking a similar approach to 7 by building practice into playing songs. I like to learn new keys by playing a song in a key I know that maybe takes a journey into the new key during the bridge. For example, I am currently working on 'The Way You Look Tonight' in Eb which shifts to Gb for the bridge. I am quite motivated to practice my Gb scales and chords because I can see quick results in a specific tune. I try and practice scales / exercises but after a few minutes I will have drifted into boogie or something. Bro' | |
| jaledin -- 10/26/2006, 08:13:50 -- #30673 | |
| Way to spell it, 7. Even though it sounds so simple, it's about my favorite piece of advice I've heard you give here, and there've been so many good bits, that's really saying something. Well said; really well said. (Just a fan). | |
| 7 -- 10/26/2006, 08:28:52 -- #30673 | |
| :) | |
| jwv76 -- 10/26/2006, 13:51:23 -- #30673 | |
| This is an exercise I've been working on today- Playing dom 7 chords through the cycle of 4ths alternating between voicing 1-3-7 and 7-1-3, or the reverse. It's a good little voicing when you just want a very rudimentary dom 7 sound, comes in handy all sorts of places, esp. blues. I start at the top of the keyboard, move through all twelve keys, at which point I'll be one octave below where I started, then move up a half step, all the way through the cycle, up another half step, etc. until I get so low on the keyboard it sounds muddy. Whatever chord I end with I start with again back at the top of the keyboard. I'm practicing it with two hands, doubling the voicing, but in application I think you'd only play it with one hand, either in the left while soloing in the right or in the right while playing a bass line with the left. | |
| Mike -- 10/27/2006, 20:59:14 -- #30673 | |
| I agree 7's approach is great. I also like rtacket idea but I am pretty sure that idea is contained in a composition by Miles, I just can't think of which one at the moment. Anyways my problem with 7's idea is that I like most of of you in this forum am not as good at him as plucking these tunes out of the air that contain the circle of 4 progression. So I am going to ask for help from the forum. I figure I will do this in my room "Mikes Place" and then when the results are in I will make a nice neat list and post a file for download. The tune I am going to list to start with is "Ive Got Rhythm" and all the tunes based on its changes.. The Bridge to "I've Got Rhythm" is a circle of 4 progression. So by practicing the Bridge to that tune you are acomplishing what 7 suggests... Practicing a tune and the cycle or 4 at the same time. | |
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