LearnJazzPiano.com archives: Bush and the war

Scot -- 04/04/2007, 18:25:07 -- #34386

Bush is saying that we can't pull out of Iraq because we got to win the war first. I suppose if we were dealing with a handful of people who wanted to deal death to the west, that might work. But Bush is such a dumb ass about this.  He just doesn't get it.  We're not fighting people, we're fighting an ideology that you can't destroy with weapons.  There is no way in hell to kill every muslim extremist out there because for each one you kill, three more get pissed off and go join up. When is our government going to figure it out?  The only way to "win" anything when it comes to a different culture is either obliterate them entirely (nuke them until they glow and then bomb them at night mentality) or start over by trying to understand what's going on and forcing each side talk to each other. The freaks out there who are blowing themselves up in crowded markets need to also come to terms with the fact that they can't win by violence either. So either smarter minds are eventually going to prevail and people will learn to live with differences, or this is going to continue to spiral into more and more destruction. I lived in Asia for quite a while. Make no mistake: people from different cultures have different sets of values, common sense, and other fundamental differences.  There's no way different cultures can understand each other and it's a waste of time to try (for the masses and the politicians that is, there are always individual exceptions).   So maybe it's impossible to stop?  Maybe the muslim extremists are completely insane and really do think that there is no other way than their way?  I just can't believe that they are all idiots, as I can't believe that we are all idiots. Except George Bush. He's an idiot.  A monkey boy pig screwer if I ever saw one.

knotty -- 04/05/2007, 06:47:04 -- #34386

Being French and all, I have to say I'm proud of Chirac for standing againt the Bush administration from the beginning. The fact is France has always been a great ally of the United States. Today, many people, muslims or not, are turning against Americans. Those angry people would have been angry at someone else, but now they're mad at us. When I was in France a few years ago, I had lunch with someone who was so angry at the US government that he kept repeating how Americans were selfish and what not. I was so irritated by this guy who though all americans were like Bush. In fact, he was just as pathetic as some of us who think all Arabs are terrorists. This war is costing us so much on so many levels. One of my friends in the National guards is being deployed again. National guards for crying out loud. Who will be here when we need them now? And those guys have a hell of a hard time finding work when they come back. -- Come back to the refinery. Hiring man says "Son if it was up to me". -- I really think the war is about more than just killing terrorists. I think it's about personal interests. I don't think out government is that dumb, but I think they are that greedy. For that reason, I think several of them deserve life in a cell.

Whacky -- 04/05/2007, 12:15:46 -- #34386

I think it's important to differentiate between our government and the idiots that are running it.  The term "government" has become an ambiguous entity that is somehow controlling the world.  In fact there are specific people who are doing this and they should be smoked out and held accountable so our "government" can be run by decent people - yeah I know....pipe dream I have two sons that have recently studied abroad (Japan & Thailand) they have been fortunate enough to live in another culture plus meet students from other countries as well.  The people they've met have been surprised to find my American sons to be kind, decent people who are opposed to and embarrassed by what our "government" is doing.  It only takes a handful of dingdongs to make us all look bad... The "war" is not a war but an occupation and it never was about fighting terrorists.  It really gripes my butt to hear this being referred to as "the war on terrorism"  What a bunch of crap.

sdm -- 04/06/2007, 09:36:29 -- #34386

Interesting to note that the dems have also grown tired of this "war on terrorism" crap.  They are beginning to understand the power of words and fight back against the Bush propaganda machine.  They have instructions to members to avoid that term and do what they can to shine light on what's really happening over there.

lepxe -- 04/23/2007, 06:39:34 -- #34386

In my view politics is a farce, nobody in their right minds can claim to truly represent anyone else. So how can a "world leader" take into account the needs of all or even most of the people he's supposed to represent. Our society is one where greed and emotional vacuity are rewarded financially and socially; consequentially the s@*t floats to the top (said the anarchist plumber "smash the cistern"). We need to organize our own lives and communities not volunteerd  slavery to those in power.

Scot -- 04/23/2007, 12:07:13 -- #34386

Yes, perhaps our society is in a bad way right now, but your words aren't going to help it get better, are they? You also advocate 'turning in', looking at our own problems while ignoring the world. Sure, we need to get our own stuff together, but we can't just look inward. The US has the capacity to lead, and we should, but instead of schoolyard bully tactics, we need to lead by example, honesty, compassion, and intelligence.  Qualities sorely lacking in politics today. There is a way to balance organizing our own lives and helping heal the world, but it takes everyone wanting to do that. If we have a good leader, he can help get everyone thinking a different way, force a shift in consciousness.  If we get a leader not based on money and friendly favors. Hoping Obama makes some good waves, I think he's the only chance we have.

lepxe -- 05/15/2007, 04:23:50 -- #34386

I don't advocate a head in the sand sollution to the world, quite the opposite. but the only forced shifts of conciousness I've perceived in history by a ruling elite have been conducted to the detrement of those outside of this elite. feel free to correct me on this but as I see it the great advances in our social welbeing have only taken place through enormous struggle, protest and direct action (e.g. the civil rights movement, new deal reforms, the miners strikes) as I say correct me if you think I'm wrong my knowledge of recent american history is a little patchy.

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