| LearnJazzPiano.com archives: MIDI help!! | |
| jazz jasper -- 04/05/2007, 07:31:25 -- #34393 | |
| Hi Here is the problem - I have a Korg Triton Extreme and an oldish Yamaha stage piano that has all the midi features needed e.g midi in and midi out. Anyway I have rigged all the sounds to come from the triton but sent them to different channels, for example in one combitnation I have strings on the top (Korg) and a piano on the bottom (Yamaha). I have the strings being sent to channel 1 ( the Korg is set to channel 1) and I have the piano being sent to channel 2, (Yamaha set to receive channel 2). Now i only have one sustain/damper pedal, that is plugged into the triton. If the yamaha is set to receive channel 1, i can sustain both keyboards at the same time (on the top and bottom keyboard), however when i change the Yamaha to receive channel 2 i can only sustain the top keyboard. Do i need to send a CC64 to the bottom keyboard on channel 2, and if i do - how do i do that?!?!?!?! Or is it something completly different, or is it just not possible?! Thanks for your help Jazz | |
| jazz jasper -- 04/06/2007, 04:52:17 -- #34393 | |
| hello?! | |
| alhaynes -- 04/06/2007, 08:51:19 -- #34393 | |
| Let me be sure what you're doing - playing the triton keyboard, letting the triton produce the string sound, and sending the same midi info to the yamaha for its piano sound via midi 2 ? The control data should be sent by the korg on whatever channel you select - does the yamaha have a separate setting for data channel and control channel ? | |
| jazz jasper -- 04/09/2007, 11:11:29 -- #34393 | |
| Different way of putting it. Okay here goes!... 'A' has all of my sounds on it and for this example i want to use piano and strings. But rather than have them all on one keyboard, i have a second keyboard 'B'. I have programmed it so that 'B' is set to transmit and recieve midi channel 2 and 'A' is sending a piano sound to midi channel 2. Therefor 'B' now recieves a piano sound. Keyboard 'A' is set to channel 1, 'A' is sending a string sound to channel 1, (in other words itself). Thats all working fine... Now on to the sustain pedal... The sustain pedal is plugged into keyboard 'A', which if you remember - keyboard 'A' is midi channel 1. The problem comes when i want to sustain a chord on both 'A' and 'B', but the damper/sustain pedal only sustains keyboard 'A'. I want to know how i can get the damper/sustain pedal that is plugged into 'A', to send the sustain command to 'A' AND 'B' at the same time. Do you know if this is possible and if so how? If it helps keyboard 'A' is a 'Korg Triton Extreme' Thanks, Jazz | |
| Whacky -- 04/09/2007, 12:37:14 -- #34393 | |
| I would have jumped in a while ago but I'm having trouble understanding what you are trying to do too. If you want to play A & B at the same time why not put them on the same midi channel? In a midi setup like this, you are not actually sending sounds to and from keyboards (that would be a system exclusive data transfer) What you are sending is keyboard controller data - keyboard A plays sounds on keyboard B or vice versa - keyboard B receives controller data from Keyboard A, etc...which is why I'm confused by what you are asking... I used a three keyboard setup for years - keyboard A was pianos and such, keyboard B was for pads, horns, organs etc... however I don't really remember how I had it set up :) I did not have your problem though | |
| jazz jasper -- 04/11/2007, 08:52:39 -- #34393 | |
| Its so hard to explain!! Basically on the korg you have 'programs' and 'combinations'. 'Combinations' are made up of '8 programs', and you can then assign any of the 8 programes to any midi channel you like. So in other words i have made a combination with 2 programs in it - piano and strings. Rather than play the sounds on the one keyboard (the korg), I want to play the strings on the Korg and the piano on my second keyboard. But because the strings and the piano are being sent to different channels, the damper control (plugged into the Korg) only transmits data to channel 1 - or you could say it only transmits the data to itself. The bit i don't get is how come the korg can send the piano sound to the second keyboard, but not all the control data? I would put A and B on the same channel, but that would mean that both keyboards would have a piano and string sounding at the same time, where as i want to have 'A' only have the strings (so i can bring the sound in and out when i want) and 'B' to have the piano sound so that i can play that with out hearing the string sound. Is there anyway that I can have them both on the same midi channel but on seperate keyboards?!! | |
| flapjack -- 04/11/2007, 10:13:28 -- #34393 | |
| Perhaps you should just go to radio shack and get a 1/4 inch "Y" splitter for your sustain pedal and plug the one pedal into both keyboards. The "Y" splitter is commonly used for headphones and should be easy to purchase. | |
| jazz jasper -- 04/11/2007, 10:43:39 -- #34393 | |
| Did think of that but didn't know it was possible! Thanks, ill give it a go. | |
| alhaynes -- 04/12/2007, 07:05:24 -- #34393 | |
| If this is what you're doing : Playing keyboard "A" to activate "A" strings - and - Playing keyboard "B" to activate "A" piano - then - Keyboard "B" (which is sending midi to "A" to play the piano sounds that are resident in "A") is going to be controlled by its pedal only. You are transmitting from "B" to "A". This is a case where a picture would be worth a few hundred words ! Note that simply "Y-ing" the pedal may not work, due to different methods used by different kbs, ie, potentiometer or switch. I can't think of anything that would be damaged by the attempt. | |
| flapjack -- 04/12/2007, 09:06:47 -- #34393 | |
| The older yammy will just use a switch (checks for polarity at power-up). The korg has two pedal inputs, you could try the pedal/switch input (assigned to damper) because the regular damper input responds to half/damper info and may not recognize a switch type pedal (although I think it might). Just test each keyboard individually with your pedal and then Y it up! | |
| jazz jasper -- 04/12/2007, 10:27:51 -- #34393 | |
| Alhaynes thats exactly it! Didn't think of it like that, of course B is sending to A! So basically there is no way - other than posibly Y-ing the pedals - that I can sustain both sounds on the seperate keyboards! Thanks again, any other suggestions are more than welcome!! | |
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