| LearnJazzPiano.com archives: The best Jazz Fake Book? | |
| shrock -- 06/23/2007, 19:50:04 -- #35557 | |
| Which Jazz Fake book can you recomend to me that has nice chord changes? | |
| Jazz+ -- 06/24/2007, 12:40:31 -- #35557 | |
| I have them all and the one I use the most often is the recently updated for corrections http://www.amazon.com/Real-Book-Sixth-C-Instruments/dp/0634060384 | |
| Scot -- 06/24/2007, 12:50:23 -- #35557 | |
| The "new real books" are good, that book in the link above is good, and a great book is Dick Hyman's fake book where he takes 100 of his favorite tunes and reharmonizes them (and has the original changes). Search for Dick Hyman on the "Books and music" search at the top of the screen if interested | |
| shrock -- 06/24/2007, 13:13:34 -- #35557 | |
| How do you play from fake books? All I know is play maybe block chords with left hand and play the melody with right hand or play a open voicing thats it. | |
| Scot -- 06/24/2007, 13:28:28 -- #35557 | |
| Well, that's how you do it :) That's how we all start out. Then as you study various kind of voicings, you start using them as you gain experience. I'm actually just about ready to publish a book of jazz piano exercises and etudes that are intended for just that. But you need to learn more about voicings, it sounds like, so find some big band charts (try sibeliusmusic.com and look at some Sammy Nestico charts) and see how the big bands are arranged. That's how you figure out some of the more plush voicings out there. Also check out pianotoday.com. They have, I think it's called, a Yamaha series of piano books. Their best jazz piano arrangements from over the years. I've learned 75% of my voicings from that magazine, and I'm sure those books are great. | |
| Scot -- 06/24/2007, 13:29:30 -- #35557 | |
| It's the steinway books, not yamaha. | |
| shrock -- 06/24/2007, 14:06:45 -- #35557 | |
| Yeah, I have the steinway stylings of the great standards vol.1. They have the original music in the back of the book and they have the same songs in the front that are more modern/contempary sound. I learned how to play blue moon, but the other songs are prety hard because there are lots of flats/sharps/naturals in the modern arrangment. | |
| sid -- 06/25/2007, 07:20:36 -- #35557 | |
| This plus a laptop could be the 21st century answer: http://www.realbookpack.com/ sid | |
| sid -- 06/25/2007, 07:26:42 -- #35557 | |
| ...I should add that the site I just mentioned does have a vague smell of phish about it, and can't possibly be legal - can it? Anyone paid up and got their discs or downloads from there? sid | |
| tune -- 06/25/2007, 08:19:28 -- #35557 | |
| Seems too good to be true. When I bought my Realbook and Spaces books way back you had to ask about them and they were kept under the table. Wonder how royalties are dealt with or how it's viewed by BMI, ASCAP currently. | |
| elwapo -- 08/04/2007, 05:40:28 -- #35557 | |
| Just for the record, I downloaded the realbook pack from the link above and got excellent service. No complaints here! | |
| elwapo -- 08/04/2007, 05:42:02 -- #35557 | |
| Although after sifting through all these jazz books I still cannot find "with Malice towards none" the tune ayolt is looking fo? | |
| g -- 08/04/2007, 05:44:40 -- #35557 | |
| I also bought a pack of these real books on Ebay by download - best $10 I ever spent. Won't be long before it gets shut down for copyright infringement though, so if you want all the real books, and your conscience can handle it, get onto it now. | |
| Scot -- 08/04/2007, 09:32:08 -- #35557 | |
| Yes, especially if your conscience can handle it- buying stuff like that hurts the entire scene. It makes the books more expensive, and in some cases makes publishers think again about even publishing a book if they know it's going to be pirated as soon as it hits the streets. I recommend h aving one of those disks of books IF you own the books. At that point I think it's OK, because you can't bring a stack of fakebooks to a gig but you can easily set up a laptop on the computer. Buy the books first! Or at least make it a plan to buy them, and of course follow through. | |
| Eighty-Eight -- 08/05/2007, 04:32:42 -- #35557 | |
| Getting back to legit fake books. There's a series of 4 or 5 fake books with good changes by the late Frank Mantooth. Worth checking out. | |
| MoJazz -- 08/05/2007, 23:21:23 -- #35557 | |
| "There's a series of 4 or 5 fake books with good changes by the late Frank Mantooth. Worth checking out." I agree. These books are well worth getting. I got three of them and use them often when playing solo and especially accompanying a vocalist. Each book has about 100 songs with each song displayed on 2 pages. As for the tunes, they are the best of the Great American Songbook. Here's a brief description from the back cover. This comprehensive book includes: -Melody, chord symbols and lyrics -Altered chords in red above the original chord changes -Professional playing tips including harmonic options, music examples and an analysis of how altered chords were selected -Historical infomation about composers and significant recordings Highly recommended. | |
| MoJazz -- 08/05/2007, 23:32:19 -- #35557 | |
| And the name of the books I have. The Best Chord Changes For The World's Greatest Standards The Best Chord Changes For The Most Requested Standards The Best Chord Changes For The Best Known Songs by Frank Mantooth | |
| blazefelton -- 08/24/2007, 22:39:45 -- #35557 | |
| 21st century - PDFs ?? I don't think so - What a pain. To really see the 21st century run by here http://www.RealBookSoftware.com[/u] I'm surprised there aren't more products out there that give this level of flexibility and depth. For me, personally this makes the useless 2/3rds part of the Real Book come to life and actually have menaing. (plus you can kind of see why some of those tunes were deemed valuable in the first place) I mean really - who has a record collection that is deep enough to venture into all of the charts that weren't standards or even somewhat familiar. Take my word for it - a very cool product. Customer support is spot on. | |
| blazefelton -- 08/24/2007, 22:42:24 -- #35557 | |
| Oops sorry thought I was underlining just the link here it is again http://www.RealBookSoftware.com | |
| Paul -- 08/25/2007, 09:47:19 -- #35557 | |
| I just bought one. it sounds to good to be true! I hope I'm not a sucker.... | |
| Whacky -- 08/25/2007, 10:49:30 -- #35557 | |
| Ah - go on, take one for the team:) Let us know what you think | |
| smg -- 08/25/2007, 12:21:04 -- #35557 | |
| If you just want to get the changes for some tunes to work on(or put together your own book)- http://www.songtrellis.com http://www.ralphpatt.com/ There are some others too..let me know if you(or anybody else) wants the links) | |
| Paul -- 08/26/2007, 13:08:08 -- #35557 | |
| any sites that have changes for pop stuff from the 60's to present? | |
| Paul -- 08/26/2007, 16:09:08 -- #35557 | |
| Or any (legal) fakebooks that have more current pop stuff. I have one called the "Ultimate Fakebook" but I call the "Ultimate Piece of Sh##" because it never has ANYTHING I'm looking for. | |
| charlp88 -- 08/27/2007, 05:48:31 -- #35557 | |
| Dear Friends I need a little Help.If I buy The Cds I can download and print the leadsheets of all the tunes in 36 books? | |
| Paul -- 08/27/2007, 10:12:15 -- #35557 | |
| Charlp88, from what I understand (if your talking about the realbook software), it's just one book: The Real Book 5th Eddtion. I still don't have it. I hope it's good- it sounds really cool! | |
| smg -- 08/27/2007, 11:25:39 -- #35557 | |
| re-any sites that have changes for pop stuff from the 60's to present? Actually there are a lot of places to get the chords for these-they're what are called "tabs" and although the same thing w/Real Books applies re-relative legality,I guess in the case of the ones that are still active online since a few years ago when I found the chords to a lot of these type of songs they're not considered a copyright infringement because they have only the chords and lyrics;anyways try Tabrobot and go from there........there are also a lot of songwriting sites that have pop progressions analyzed in terms of theory,harmonic structure.....if you have specific songs in mind start out by "Googling" them and see what comes up....... | |
| smg -- 08/27/2007, 12:07:20 -- #35557 | |
| This site is a good one for this too- http://www.realbook.us/ | |
| Paul -- 08/27/2007, 12:43:07 -- #35557 | |
| Thanks, I'll give that a try. I have seen some guitar tabs but sometimes they don't have the names of the chords, just funny little diagrams. Really I just got to be able to do it by ear- I'm working on it..... | |
| Scot -- 08/27/2007, 12:56:49 -- #35557 | |
| Buy real books with your money. Downloading and buying CD's doesn't help the jazz scene at all in any good way. If you own the real books in paper format, I see no problem having a CD. IF you don't, then you're ripping people off and are nothing more than common criminals. Common criminals, sounds nice doesn't it? "Yeah, he can play some jazz piano, but he's a petty thief and a dishonest bugger at that, I'd hate to hang out with him, he'd probably steal my gold fish." It's called "personal ethics" and if you don't have any, then I feel sorry for you. If you need to learn a tune, why not learn it the traditional way? Such as, off the recording? There are plenty of licensed free internet radio and mp3 sites where you can hear at least the head of a tune and learn it. Not only does it save your karmic soul, it helps you grow as a musician because your ears get stronger and you really know the tune that way. Ok, rant over, just hope there are more honest jazzers out there than pig sucking thieves. | |
| smg -- 08/27/2007, 17:33:51 -- #35557 | |
| Second the above... re-type of tabs I'm referring to,here's an example-http://www.ultimateguitar.com/tabs/p/plain_white_ts/hey_there_delilah_ver3_crd.htm | |
| smg -- 08/27/2007, 17:36:41 -- #35557 | |
| try this instead-http://www.iol.ie/~murphypj/BEATLES/LETITBE.TXT | |
| Paul -- 08/28/2007, 07:34:12 -- #35557 | |
| Scott, I didn't think the CD charlp88 was illegal. I bought one so I don't think that would make me any kind of pig sucking thieve. anyways I got the CD/DVD yesterday. I'm having problems downloading it and haven't heard from customer service. Charlp88, is this thing for real? | |
| Scot -- 08/29/2007, 17:10:11 -- #35557 | |
| You paid money for it, but it doesn't mean it's right. Of course it doesn't make you personally a pig sucking thief- you didn't know better. But there are no legal CDs out there with fake books on them, so now that you know this, you'll have to decide what to do next. | |
| jmkarns -- 08/29/2007, 20:22:50 -- #35557 | |
| What if I promise to only use it for good, and to always honor the composer with my best recollection of how the song should be played? | |
| jazzvirtuoso -- 08/29/2007, 23:02:48 -- #35557 | |
| I, have paid thousands of dollars in fakebooks, transcriptions books and software, now i wont lie I may have a few itmes that might be considered illegal, but I normally go back and buy whatever it is if im using it extensively, there have been only 2 exceptions in my 28 yrs as a musician!! Yes, I have just about anything out there that you can think of and i have my recipets to prove it. Now, I realize that everyone cant afford all these books, But you know what?????? YOU DONT NEED ALL THE FAKEBOOKS IN THE WORLD, SCOTT HAS A GOOD POINT LEARN THE TUNES OFF OF THE RECORDINGS AND EXCERCISE YOUR EAR'S A LITTLE. ALSO DOWNLOAD VANBASCO PLAYER (ITS FREE). Its very surprising to me that more musicians arent using vanbesco, cuz nowdays you can find just about any tune you want on midi's and you can see the actual notes being played on them too! JV' | |
| jmkarns -- 08/30/2007, 13:15:15 -- #35557 | |
| That's a good point jazzvirtuoso. I don't think anyone here is looking for a free ride. I have certainly paid my share for printed music in it's various forms. I still think big ears are the best equipment, and recorded music the best textbook. | |
| Jazz+ -- 08/30/2007, 14:41:50 -- #35557 | |
| All you need is the Sixth Edition of "The Real Book" (Hal Leonard) Vol 1 and Vol II which can be ordered together from Amazon for $39.57 (that low price includes both volumes.) And that price includes free shipping. | |
| Scot -- 08/31/2007, 11:27:44 -- #35557 | |
| Don't go to amazon :) Click the links at the top of this thread instead, help support LJP! | |
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