| LearnJazzPiano.com archives: A question for the big guns | |
| Ziggy -- 02/03/2004, 18:46:25 -- #570 | |
| Most of you guys seem to be a lot more experienced than me. I'm sure you've got a lot of insight that I lack. SO, my question is: What are the five most lacking aspects in younger players? Zig | |
| Whacky -- 02/03/2004, 18:54:01 -- #571 | |
| experience maturity repertoire transposing skills stylistic adaptability those 5 come to mind... | |
| Rick -- 02/04/2004, 06:07:44 -- #577 | |
| time flow of ideas motific development knowledge of the jazz tradition ability to solo over difficult changes | |
| Ziggy -- 02/04/2004, 08:07:48 -- #582 | |
| Rick, what do you mean by motific development? I guess I'm just unfamiliar with that. | |
| Barry -- 02/04/2004, 10:49:12 -- #594 | |
| It depends if you mean young players in terms of age or people who are learning. If you mean emerging players then my answer is: Rhythm Rhythm Rhythm Rhythm Rhythm And I'm only half joking here! | |
| Scot -- 02/04/2004, 10:58:24 -- #596 | |
| TIME! Time is the biggest indicator for lack of experience. | |
| Rick -- 02/04/2004, 11:11:09 -- #601 | |
| motific development To cut it short, its the opposite of "waffling", just playing random lines that dont really go there. A motif is like a short (or long) phrase that gets repeated. So motif development is taking that short idea and then changing it, either by augmentation, diminuision (is that a word?), the changing of notes, feel, everything. It creates something that the listener can catch onto and maybe predict whats going to come. Most people would argue that predictability is bad, and of course too much of it is, but without any, i dont think a jazz solo would be as interesting if you had no idea what was going to come up. It might sound odd, but if you think about it, and listen to some good solos, you'll hear it all over the place....i hope... Rick | |
| Rick -- 02/04/2004, 11:14:02 -- #602 | |
| what.....that made no sense The first line should read "waffling- just playing random lines that dont really go anywhere" and maybe i should have written "i dont think a jazz solo would be as interesting if you had absolutely no idea what to predict" obviously predictable stuff can be bad...but it is usefull sometimes! Someone please back me up lol :-) | |
| Scot -- 02/04/2004, 13:24:33 -- #614 | |
| Well, playing "deliberate", ie, not waffling, is also very important. But there's a reason that a jazz classic is called, "It Don't Mean A Thing, If It Ain't Got That Swing." | |
| 7 -- 02/05/2004, 12:03:11 -- #678 | |
Brash / Overconfident attitudes More likely to believe that "if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit" | |
| Rick -- 02/06/2004, 04:00:25 -- #691 | |
| that sums up about 95% of young saxophone players I know... | |
| Ziggy -- 02/06/2004, 08:49:11 -- #700 | |
| I guess that brings up the flip side of the coin... The aspects of young players that are annoying or a turn off. I'm always annoyed at players who sit in and blow loud and long without any regard for the fact that they're making a really bad impression. | |
| jmjelder -- 02/06/2004, 20:36:56 -- #717 | |
| 7, "if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit" Love that quote, it applies to so many fields, from art to zen with full stops at education and politics. Its a quote I hope to remember and pass on, thanks. Joe | |
| Rick -- 02/07/2004, 03:07:35 -- #719 | |
| one more, an unwillingness to play ballads.... how ironic | |
| Dr. Whack -- 02/03/2004, 18:54:01 -- #571 | |
| experience maturity repertoire transposing skills stylistic adaptability those 5 come to mind... | |
| Rick -- 02/04/2004, 06:07:44 -- #577 | |
| time flow of ideas motific development knowledge of the jazz tradition ability to solo over difficult changes | |
| Ziggy -- 02/04/2004, 08:07:48 -- #582 | |
| Rick, what do you mean by motific development? I guess I'm just unfamiliar with that. | |
| Barry -- 02/04/2004, 10:49:12 -- #594 | |
| It depends if you mean young players in terms of age or people who are learning. If you mean emerging players then my answer is: Rhythm Rhythm Rhythm Rhythm Rhythm And I'm only half joking here! | |
| Scot -- 02/04/2004, 10:58:24 -- #596 | |
| TIME! Time is the biggest indicator for lack of experience. | |
| Rick -- 02/04/2004, 11:11:09 -- #601 | |
| motific development To cut it short, its the opposite of "waffling", just playing random lines that dont really go there. A motif is like a short (or long) phrase that gets repeated. So motif development is taking that short idea and then changing it, either by augmentation, diminuision (is that a word?), the changing of notes, feel, everything. It creates something that the listener can catch onto and maybe predict whats going to come. Most people would argue that predictability is bad, and of course too much of it is, but without any, i dont think a jazz solo would be as interesting if you had no idea what was going to come up. It might sound odd, but if you think about it, and listen to some good solos, you'll hear it all over the place....i hope... Rick | |
| Rick -- 02/04/2004, 11:14:02 -- #602 | |
| what.....that made no sense The first line should read "waffling- just playing random lines that dont really go anywhere" and maybe i should have written "i dont think a jazz solo would be as interesting if you had absolutely no idea what to predict" obviously predictable stuff can be bad...but it is usefull sometimes! Someone please back me up lol :-) | |
| Scot -- 02/04/2004, 13:24:33 -- #614 | |
| Well, playing "deliberate", ie, not waffling, is also very important. But there's a reason that a jazz classic is called, "It Don't Mean A Thing, If It Ain't Got That Swing." | |
| 7 -- 02/05/2004, 12:03:11 -- #678 | |
Brash / Overconfident attitudes More likely to believe that "if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit" | |
| Rick -- 02/06/2004, 04:00:25 -- #691 | |
| that sums up about 95% of young saxophone players I know... | |
| Ziggy -- 02/06/2004, 08:49:11 -- #700 | |
| I guess that brings up the flip side of the coin... The aspects of young players that are annoying or a turn off. I'm always annoyed at players who sit in and blow loud and long without any regard for the fact that they're making a really bad impression. | |
| jmjelder -- 02/06/2004, 20:36:56 -- #717 | |
| 7, "if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit" Love that quote, it applies to so many fields, from art to zen with full stops at education and politics. Its a quote I hope to remember and pass on, thanks. Joe | |
| Rick -- 02/07/2004, 03:07:35 -- #719 | |
| one more, an unwillingness to play ballads.... how ironic | |
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