Super-duper Digital Pianos
i have often pondered this thought; wouldn't it be dreamy to have a digital piano sampled from various makes & therefore having for example a killer bass, midrange, & upper end etc (every register)?i've often noticed some pianos have the sweetest high treble, or very nice midrange, or killer low high end etc but seldom gives a piano satisfaction in every register. this way the best of each make could perhaps be blended although i suppose it's not possible legally. rats!
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if your keyboard will allow you to program keyboard splits, you could do just that. i believe my yamaha motif allows you to split the keyboard into 4 separate zones or patches. you would probably have to mess with the eq and effects but is doable.
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i think it would be pretty hard to do a good job with it all, various samples of attack, various samples of hitting the keys at different velocities, etc. plus a sample range should be only a few notes wide. shucks, i just want to buy it!
to me digital piano's are just a different instrument so its just not a possability. and when i come across a great grand piano, i mean a really great grand piano the last thing on my mind is analysing the low, mid and high end individually. a great piano just overwhelmes you like a great women. the feel of the keys seem exotic, the sound is other worldly and you have no idea what is making that way, you can only begin to scratch the surface of why it may be. why is it that this particular steinway is acting as if it has been waiting 100 years for you specifically to sit down and play it....even though it looks exactly like the other steinway right next that just sounds very good. that is never going to happen on a digital no matter what you do to the high end and the low end.
i once recorded an entire cd on a roland digital rd300s piano. i thought the cd sucked for years. soon after i recorded the cd i upgraded to superior quality kurzweill digital piano's. and i sold the roland. i kick myself now for letting the roland go because i understand digital pianos much better now that i do not play them as much. once upon a time when i did not own two grand pianos i only played digital pianos. when i listen to recordings now of my playing back then it amazes me even though it makes total sence that i was a
superior digital piano player then to what i am now. i hate giging on digital pianos now not only because i am spoiled and have been able to practice and gig exclusively on grands for the last 6 or so years but also because my digital chops are gone. there is such a thing...
if you do not ever practice on a digital and do not ever gig on one,
pull it out after not using for 3 years do not expect to be very good on even if you do practice 8 hours a day on your grand. they are different instruments. now i love the cd i did on my roland rd 300 s
its like its a different person... i can not play digital like that anymore. and i can not get that particular digital sound anymore either that sound only came from that particular digital piano.
what i am saying there is that digital piano's have personalities similar to how grand pianos do. you gotta pick em accordingly, not according to the quality of highs, lows, etc.
when a woman takes your breath away... you dont say " well lets see...shes got the legs, tits, face.... ok its a go" if she takes your breath away you dont break it down its just a go regardless of individual things.. . same with pianos both digital and accoustic
pick em like y ou should pick your women, whether they take your breath away or not. to break it down into highs and lows or tits and ass is shallow gentlemen.
i once recorded an entire cd on a roland digital rd300s piano. i thought the cd sucked for years. soon after i recorded the cd i upgraded to superior quality kurzweill digital piano's. and i sold the roland. i kick myself now for letting the roland go because i understand digital pianos much better now that i do not play them as much. once upon a time when i did not own two grand pianos i only played digital pianos. when i listen to recordings now of my playing back then it amazes me even though it makes total sence that i was a
superior digital piano player then to what i am now. i hate giging on digital pianos now not only because i am spoiled and have been able to practice and gig exclusively on grands for the last 6 or so years but also because my digital chops are gone. there is such a thing...
if you do not ever practice on a digital and do not ever gig on one,
pull it out after not using for 3 years do not expect to be very good on even if you do practice 8 hours a day on your grand. they are different instruments. now i love the cd i did on my roland rd 300 s
its like its a different person... i can not play digital like that anymore. and i can not get that particular digital sound anymore either that sound only came from that particular digital piano.
what i am saying there is that digital piano's have personalities similar to how grand pianos do. you gotta pick em accordingly, not according to the quality of highs, lows, etc.
when a woman takes your breath away... you dont say " well lets see...shes got the legs, tits, face.... ok its a go" if she takes your breath away you dont break it down its just a go regardless of individual things.. . same with pianos both digital and accoustic
pick em like y ou should pick your women, whether they take your breath away or not. to break it down into highs and lows or tits and ass is shallow gentlemen.
i see what you're saying however i still think it's a good possibility to sample a digital from various makes of grand, tweak it etc & get a very very pleasant (from the entire range) sound out of it as i postulate.
other thoughts about digitals ...when i play a digital, seated right there by it, it's just so dry, so "plastic" sounding, less control of nuance, etc. however when i stand back & hear someone else play it often sounds very nice indeed, & what a difference in perceived sound quality. it's a head game, our dissatisfaction with less nuance in control & dynamics etc; however in a live band with the sound bouncing around the walls etc mix, these finer points are probably not noticably hearable! they do indeed sound very nice in the acoustic mix, & are always in excellent tune. now add to this my super-duper digital possibility & imagine the ultimate!!!
as to what you say in comparing pianos to a woman, here in germany there are many women who can meet these criteria! ooh la la!
other thoughts about digitals ...when i play a digital, seated right there by it, it's just so dry, so "plastic" sounding, less control of nuance, etc. however when i stand back & hear someone else play it often sounds very nice indeed, & what a difference in perceived sound quality. it's a head game, our dissatisfaction with less nuance in control & dynamics etc; however in a live band with the sound bouncing around the walls etc mix, these finer points are probably not noticably hearable! they do indeed sound very nice in the acoustic mix, & are always in excellent tune. now add to this my super-duper digital possibility & imagine the ultimate!!!
as to what you say in comparing pianos to a woman, here in germany there are many women who can meet these criteria! ooh la la!
the main problem i've found with digitals is the sound source and the fact that they have an un-natural sustain. there are all kinds of harmonic swirls that happen in the case of a piano, and even more so in a room. so when one hears a digital piano in a room being played by someone else, they can sound quite natural...but to the player, they might suck...if what i hear sucks, then my playing sucks...
i experimented with eq and reverb and have achieved some nice results. in fact i played a session using the garritan personal orchestra steinway sample and i was pleasantly surprized. you may want to check it out (it's been discussed here before)
i experimented with eq and reverb and have achieved some nice results. in fact i played a session using the garritan personal orchestra steinway sample and i was pleasantly surprized. you may want to check it out (it's been discussed here before)
..."but to the player, they might suck...if what i hear sucks, then my playing sucks..."
...and if my playing sucks, my confidence drops, & if my confidence drops, by gosh my playing really may start to suck sure enough!
we need to be aware of this when we play digitals! remember, it sounds good out front!
thanx dr. whack, i'll see if i can check it out.
...and if my playing sucks, my confidence drops, & if my confidence drops, by gosh my playing really may start to suck sure enough!
we need to be aware of this when we play digitals! remember, it sounds good out front!
thanx dr. whack, i'll see if i can check it out.
i submit to you dr. whack that it is this sustain and the manipulation of it that differentiates an excellent digital piano player from someone who is merely a piano player using a digital because a piano is not available. that sustain can be a unique thing of beauty and can be one of the things that makes the digital piano a unique and worthy instrument in its own right. i guess what it is ... we all set out thinking we will rate digitals by how close they are to the real thing... ie how much they sound like a real piano... but fact is they are not a real piano and will never be. so i say this is not the correct standard. they are a unique instrument and need to be chosen and aproached as such to be used and played to perfection.
a different animal indeed
i don't know, with continuously advancing technology there might indeed one day be a digital that comes incredibly close in sound, although there is no soundboard, but maybe there will be a soundboard after all & with math & such all the sympathetic vibrations of strings vibrating together can be simulated; hmnn (scratching above ear sounds), it does seem possible.
the sustain on digitals sounds like a very dry sostenuto pedal to me. and this is because because you don't have the sympathetic vibrations effect.
do this test:
1) hit a high note on a real piano & note the sound & sustain time.
2) now hit the same high note & then step on the sustain. note the sound & sustain time. notice how much fuller the note sounds & the longer sustain time? sympathetic vibration is the responsible party.
the sustain on digitals sounds like a very dry sostenuto pedal to me. and this is because because you don't have the sympathetic vibrations effect.
do this test:
1) hit a high note on a real piano & note the sound & sustain time.
2) now hit the same high note & then step on the sustain. note the sound & sustain time. notice how much fuller the note sounds & the longer sustain time? sympathetic vibration is the responsible party.
the sustain pedal on a digital is an on/off switch just like a lite switch that puts the light on and off in your house.
the sustain pedal on a piano is a non pressing of the damper on the strings. two very very different things. a digital piano will never be able to not dampen the strings. but a digital piano has its own unique way of aproaching the sound of a sustained sound. it is a very different thing and has to be recognized to play a digital piano well.
the sustain pedal on a piano is a non pressing of the damper on the strings. two very very different things. a digital piano will never be able to not dampen the strings. but a digital piano has its own unique way of aproaching the sound of a sustained sound. it is a very different thing and has to be recognized to play a digital piano well.
what i am saying solart is this: once you have played enough great grand piano's in your lifetime you learn that what makes a great sounding grand piano can not be broken down into high end, low end etc... you can try but you will always find another grand piano that has just as good a high end, just as good a low end, just as good an action but somehow is just not the great grand piano the other is. maybe its the life that is left in the wood... who knows
... nobody knows.... there is a sort of spiritual side to it... digital piano's do not have this in the same way. they will never duplicate this. digital piano's have their own thing, they are a seperate and unique instrument.
... nobody knows.... there is a sort of spiritual side to it... digital piano's do not have this in the same way. they will never duplicate this. digital piano's have their own thing, they are a seperate and unique instrument.
i know what you mean, but the digitals are advancing, & maybe indeed one day the sustain (all dampers up) and what combination of notes are down can be simulated as well by some "sympathetic string vibration note input reader =s what resulting output."
also each real piano is its own separate and unique instrument.
also each different make or program of digital piano is its own unique instrument.
maybe one day androids will play them!
also each real piano is its own separate and unique instrument.
also each different make or program of digital piano is its own unique instrument.
maybe one day androids will play them!
"they are a separate and unique instrument." yes, they are.
i spent the first year with my digital piano-like instrument (yamaha p250) trying to imitate the sound of a real grand. i finally learned that this was a different instrument, and only then did i feel free to set it up based on its strengths.
i spent the first year with my digital piano-like instrument (yamaha p250) trying to imitate the sound of a real grand. i finally learned that this was a different instrument, and only then did i feel free to set it up based on its strengths.
when i play with a full band on piano "simulations" i often imagine i'm playing a grand in front of a very appeciative packed arena audience! it helps set the mood...
ya and sometimes i pop a tab of lsd to help set the mood.
i dont know why anybody hasnt mentioned gigastudio. gigastudio would be awesome in a standalone box...eventhough it would just be a computer with a built in midi controller and so it would cost like three grand. but a triton already costs that much. id buy one...if i lived in this perfect world where they made 88-key weighted gigastudio-computer-digital pianos and in that world id also have 3 grand to spend on one.
tii-iii-iii-ime is on our side.
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