hi to everyone!!

could someone give me some guides of how substitution works during improvisation. this an unexplored area by me.
is this playing outside??

thanks in advance..

chacky
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". this is a kind of extended "surrounding note figure" that uses collapsing chromatics to approach the target note.

example (target note c):

d -> bb -> db -> b -> c

there are a great number of ways to permutate this figure, including diatonically. it can sound pretty wierd, but since the figure resolves to a consonant chord tone, the resolution is always satisfying.

* * * * * * *

in the case of harmonic substitution, it's a dangerous thing to do if you're playing with an ensemble.
this may seem like a stupid question, but i thought that the tritone of a c major scale was bb and e. so why would you use an f# scale for the substitute. i ask this simply because you said "in the case of melodic substitution, you are often playing the scale based on the tritone of the root of the scale you would normally be playing." sorry if this seems like a silly question, but i have been playing by ear for all these years and am just getting into jazz theory.
it does not have to be outside.  an inside substitute would be the a minor scale on  a c major chord for example.  and to improvise as if in a minor.   this is inside all the way and you need not be concerned with weaving in and out as with the  tritone substitute.  another inside substitute is e minor.   these substitutes are so inside in fact that i think most improvisors after exploring them find them of little interest and of not much use.
dear boy wonder . a tri-tone substition is three whole tones  from where you are . so the tri-tone sub for cdom is f#dom they work together because the 3 and 7& are both present but inverted
so if i am reading this correctly, i can use an f#maj scale for improvisation in cmaj.
you can, but it sounds very "out".
thanks 7,

it's there any other possibility... playing out?

the other night i was in a gib and the sax player said something like "why we don't make some substitutions in forths" exp. f-bb-eb...etc..... (i dont remember well but something like that is the idea)

what does that means???
i really want to learn the "out" style of playing. for instance, on jaco pastorius' debut album there was a song called "kuru/speak like a child". herbie hancock plays the keys on the song, and he plays all types of scales on the improv. check it out if you can and if anyone can explain the theory behind it, please do.
hi to everyone!!

could someone give me some guides of how substitution works during improvisation. this an unexplored area by me.
is this playing outside??

thanks in advance..

chacky
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