hello, i have just started to transcribe some of my favourite solos. i find it very time consuming though, and i do not really have that much time to spend. i have realised that many of the solos i want to transcribe already have been transcribed by others. would it be a great loss for me if i, instead of doing the transcriptions myself, just bought the books with the transcribed solos and learned the solos that way instead? any advices?

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i've limited experience of transcribing but i'd say you should try and have a go yourself. in some ways to see it all written down is a bit of a cop out. the skills learnt by transposing are extremely useful. i suppose to transcribe and then use a book for reference is ok but sometimes the written notation can approximate the way in which the notes are played by the particular player in question.
when i started out playing as a kid, i began with pre-transcribed solos -- even though i ended up playing stuff like bud's "tempus fugit" and horace's "opus de funk" along with the record, i didn't learn anything, and couldn't play at all.  maybe you're more disciplined than i was, but i don't think that route is the way to go at all.

if you know how to analyze a solo, you might get something out of looking over a printed transcription, but you'd be missing a whole lot of the real value of transcribing.  

it gets easier -- when i'm in a transcription phase, i often write out one or two full solos a day, plus having time to practice.  a reasonable goal might be one solo a week/month/whatever -- a little bit each day.
sure, jletourn, rub it in. :(  i have a full time job and a wife (kids are grown thank goodness!) so i'm (very!) lucky to get a couple of hours a day to devote to this.  i've done one 16 bar transacription and have learned the kelly solo from freddy from the transcription found here (with listening of course). learned stuff i'll keep from each and will probably try to find time to do both of these things over time.
for the most part it is not playing the transcrption that helps your playing... it is the singing along with the solo, internalizing the notes and then understanding them to such perfection that you can notate them as well as sing them and play  them that does the trick.  if you are not going to do all this i would advise against using transcriptions at all.  if you are going to read other peoples transcriptions this is a classsical form of music you are practicing and you might as well study classical music then which was concieved and composed with this aproach in mind.
beginning transcription is a hard job. you say: "i find it very time consuming though,..."
follow these steps for transcribing a tune:
  
write melody of a theme or a phrase.
write “b a s s” line.
write chords.

“b a s s” line is practical for recognizing chords. so you see if they are in root position (c7) or in an inversion (c7/e  c7/g  c7/bb).
if it sounds strange for you, try extended chords ( c9  c11  c13).
if it doesn’t sound good try altered chords.
i find that even with transcriptions notated by someone else there are always discrepancies between the written and the recording.

the written transcription can help you with playing the recording, but rarely are they accurate.

the point to transcribing is to analyze the underlying principles of the soloists' ideas and put them into your own bag of tricks.

actually mastering the physical process of playing the transcribed solo is also useful from the "reflex/juggling" standpoint of musical performance. iow, the sheer physical ability to execute a lick will at some point seep into your playing when you least expect it and forever enrich your subconscious soloing ability.

tips on transcribing:

https://www.jeff-brent.com/lessons/transcr.html
7,

do you know any good christmas sheet music that has a little bit of jazz and is arranged nicely?
will pop up right on top. available through musicnotes.

i think you'll dig it.
d/f

i don't think it would be a total loss to learn solos from books but obviously you won't get the benefit of improving your ear that transcribing brings.  

i agree with 7 about the innacuracies of many transcriptions but there are still benefits to be had from learning from books.  one example is that you will be forced to play lines that you wouldn't normally play so your technique will improve.  one of the things we are probably all guilty of is playing things that fall under our fingers or, more accurately, fit our own technique.  even if you are playing another pianists' solo they will still play things that you will find technically difficult so it is a useful exercise from that point of view.

if you do choose to learn solos from books, i think it is absolutely vital that you develop the ability to analyse how the lines are put together and, again as 7 said, take these general concepts and try and work them into your own improvising.  if you don't do this, then you will end up in the position that jletourn described when you can play solos note for note but not be able to improvise yourself.

it would obviously be better to do it yourself, but there is still plenty you can learn from published transcriptions.
transcribing has two very major benefits to learning from the pre-transcribed music:

1. your ears get a lot stronger during the act of transcription. that's one of the main reasons to do it!  

2. you become more discerning about rhythm and  where to place it. when you are trying to work out the exact rhythm of a line and counting it out a hundred times until you get it right, that act in itself is very very good for you.
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fwiw, the act of finding and fixing the inaccuracies that 7 talks about is good for the ear as well (both notes and rhythm).  you check what you've got against the recording and find the missing pieces, even if you started with someone else's written transcription.
i dont know how to play lead sheets. i
hi shrock:
please see file "performing jazz lead sheets" at albetan's area.
7,

whats the name of that christmas book you have with "the christmas song" on it?
here it is is eb, a very popular key for this tune.

https://guitar-primer.com/charts/chart-5070.html

i normally do it in c though, because it suits my voice better.
you dont have "the christmas song" in the key of c? if you do, whats the name of that christmas book?  hopefully you will have it. i have no credit card so i cant order anything over the internet.
"the christmas song" has a very specific arrangement to it and can be found in any number of christmas songbooks.

your local music store should have several books with more or less similar arrangements.

just ask them.
and if money is tight try your local library.  ours has many music books and summer is the ideal time to find them on the shelves.
im looking for this specific arrangement of "the christmas song"  i  know the chords for a couple of the measures of that arrangement. the first measure chords starts off with a c6,dm7,g7, second measure cmaj9,dm7/g,g7-9, third measure, c6,gm7,c7. anyone familiar with that arrangment in the key of c?
yeah, my local library, as small and pitiful as it is, has a lot of christmas music books.

plus you can look through sheetmusic magazine indexes and find the original sheet music for just about any "standard" plus more that you might be looking for.
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thanks for all good advices about transcriptions. i think i'd better roll up the sleeves now and start transcribing. one solo per month sounds like a modest and realistic ambition for me now. thanks again!

d/f
jeff,

if you know the christmas book for those chord changes i posted, can you tell me the name of that book?


you say you don't have a credit card. but somebody that you know has a credit card, and will certainly be willing to use it for you for a lousy $4.50 to further your musical education i'm sure.
sam ash should have that book.
the chord sybmols are exactly the same as the ones that i posted above?
pretty much
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