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hi all, i was just wondering where to find some advice on latin lh comping patterns. i thought there was something on this site but i cant find it now. i have an assignment due next week thanks...
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try albetan's room. look at the files link where he's posted many lessons. good stuff!
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damn good idea jv.
hi all, i was just wondering where to find some advice on latin lh comping patterns. i thought there was something on this site but i cant find it now. i have an assignment due next week thanks...
speaking of warren bernhart, one thing that has helped me tremendously in solo playing is watching his left hand while playing several chorus of autumn leaves on video tape number 1.
larry
larry
ya know, there are lots of great musicians and artists of all kinds that we will never get a chance to see or hear. i'm always amazed by the greatness i bump into from time to time right here in st. louis. often times there are piano players that "only play in church" or other obscure things like that, and they are just monsters! too me it's kind of like what they say about roaches - heh heh...if you see one, there are probably hundreds hiding near by...
some of the monsters i've met over the years were kind of social misfits. incredible players that can only do that - nothing else. cannot really relate to people, cannot show up to a job on time, don't bathe very often, don't really care about being dressed "properly", maybe strung out on some meds for one reason or another...etc...but boy, when the sit at the piano, wow!
i don't mean to take away from the greats, of course, but sometimes you'd be amazed what you might find under some rocks:) perhaps a lot of what makes one person famous over one who is not, is simply fate, or a rare combination of drive, self-confidence, and business sense?
some of the monsters i've met over the years were kind of social misfits. incredible players that can only do that - nothing else. cannot really relate to people, cannot show up to a job on time, don't bathe very often, don't really care about being dressed "properly", maybe strung out on some meds for one reason or another...etc...but boy, when the sit at the piano, wow!
i don't mean to take away from the greats, of course, but sometimes you'd be amazed what you might find under some rocks:) perhaps a lot of what makes one person famous over one who is not, is simply fate, or a rare combination of drive, self-confidence, and business sense?
i know what you mean, after all, someone has got to be buying all of those thousands of instruments...i was boggled by how all of those businesses even stay in business, until i got online. we're (us people) like grains of sand, just millions of us. of course no doubt many can't play too accomplished.
...but many dream! and some can play, & how!
well of course there is the "spiritual" element, but also church provides a very forgiving and adoring audience. they usually don't come up and heckle/humiliate you during or after a performance:) that sort of positive energy certainly puts performers more at ease than they would be at "regular" gigs. i would imagine a steady diet of that would be very helpful....i know, because i did it for a couple of years. very gratifying.
the spiritual side of it is a big part i believe. god blesses the musicians who spend so much time working for him.
however, i believe the main reason church musicians get so good is because they have to "perform" (not really the right word here) very often, and have to learn songs for the choir, special singers, congregational songs etc. and if you get into a pentecostal, cogic, or southern baptist church where things get crazy, you have to be able to think on the fly and flow with what is going on. not to mention, the variety of styles that are done in church. you have the traditional gospel style, blues, latin, pop, rock, jazz, and even some wierd combinations of other styles. another thing, the church keyboardists are often forced to be the leader of the choir as well as the rest of the band. lots of experience right there.
however, i believe the main reason church musicians get so good is because they have to "perform" (not really the right word here) very often, and have to learn songs for the choir, special singers, congregational songs etc. and if you get into a pentecostal, cogic, or southern baptist church where things get crazy, you have to be able to think on the fly and flow with what is going on. not to mention, the variety of styles that are done in church. you have the traditional gospel style, blues, latin, pop, rock, jazz, and even some wierd combinations of other styles. another thing, the church keyboardists are often forced to be the leader of the choir as well as the rest of the band. lots of experience right there.
thats exactly what i was thinking, theres also the mentoringship element involved where the older-better musciams teach the younger less experinced muscians. and in some families its handed down from
one generation to another!
man, i've seen some jazz cats (myself included) ripped to shreds by these type of muscians.
jv'
yep those guys are something else
i know a church player that sucked like a year ago. since, he's been looking at chords on the internet; and i made the biggest mistake by showing him how to use the circle of 5ths in a song.
now today he plays an arrangement of a popular gospel tune, and it is harmonically ultra advanced: i mean he's playing tritones, quartals, all types of stuff. and he has no idea what he's playing.
harmonically, i wouldn't say he's beyond me just yet
not in the same stratosphere technically
but geez, he must have been taking the learning curve at 90 mph!
i know a church player that sucked like a year ago. since, he's been looking at chords on the internet; and i made the biggest mistake by showing him how to use the circle of 5ths in a song.
now today he plays an arrangement of a popular gospel tune, and it is harmonically ultra advanced: i mean he's playing tritones, quartals, all types of stuff. and he has no idea what he's playing.
harmonically, i wouldn't say he's beyond me just yet
not in the same stratosphere technically
but geez, he must have been taking the learning curve at 90 mph!
hi styles,
i was wondering if there is anything more to 'using the circle of fifths in a song' - than my current understanding of it:
i sometimes use the circle for doing fancy endings - eg if a song should end on a c chord you can make this a bit more fancy by preceding the c with a db chord . and then you can build on this a bit more by building up to that db (from the cycle of fifths) with an eb then an ab (or go even further back round the cycle than the eb if taste permits). so instead of just playing a c, you'd play eb\ab\db\c
i was wondering if there is anything more to 'using the circle of fifths in a song' - than my current understanding of it:
i sometimes use the circle for doing fancy endings - eg if a song should end on a c chord you can make this a bit more fancy by preceding the c with a db chord . and then you can build on this a bit more by building up to that db (from the cycle of fifths) with an eb then an ab (or go even further back round the cycle than the eb if taste permits). so instead of just playing a c, you'd play eb\ab\db\c
dr. whack hit the nail on-the-head, plus these listeners are not drunks & have other motives. 'plus what jv said.
i play in church too fairly often, & there's plenty of room for improvising with the "lobpreis team" (worship, praise team), it is quite another type of experience, i enjoy it very very much. (rip, rip...?)
i play in church too fairly often, & there's plenty of room for improvising with the "lobpreis team" (worship, praise team), it is quite another type of experience, i enjoy it very very much. (rip, rip...?)
wassup gordon
i've never thought of it that way! that's an interesting sounding technique.
i usually employ the circle to give more flavor to a song's regular prgression.
for example,i tend to expand my thinking into specific parts of the song, since most songs have the same patterns.
like if a song's usual progression goes like
c for a measure, a min for a measure, f for measure, and then back to the c
i might play
c, then the f, but use a gmin7 into a c7 to transition into the f, then a fmin7-->bb7 into the c
that's what i taught him.
what i've kept to myself is the following.
food for thought:
every chord you play in song is some tone in another key, a different key than the one designated by the song's inherent key signature. also, you can build progressions from scales that share some amount of notes. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but here's of a 2-5-1 on planet mars:
lh...../rh
ab, ab / b,eb,gb,bb
db,f,ab / c,eb,g,bb
f / c,e,f,a
there's a couple things going on here, but the main thing is i substitued db(or c# rather) for c in the regular 2-5-1 that leads to the tonic f(gmin7 c7 f).
now why c#? because c# is the fifth tone of a f aug triad. so using a scale that has an sharped fifth you could derive the 2-5-1 gmin7, c#, f.
you could then employ the circle of fifths and precede c# with g#. in my example i cover up the c# with a locrian chord.
it's like you're floating to f.
i hope that makes some sense. still learning...
i've never thought of it that way! that's an interesting sounding technique.
i usually employ the circle to give more flavor to a song's regular prgression.
for example,i tend to expand my thinking into specific parts of the song, since most songs have the same patterns.
like if a song's usual progression goes like
c for a measure, a min for a measure, f for measure, and then back to the c
i might play
c, then the f, but use a gmin7 into a c7 to transition into the f, then a fmin7-->bb7 into the c
that's what i taught him.
what i've kept to myself is the following.
food for thought:
every chord you play in song is some tone in another key, a different key than the one designated by the song's inherent key signature. also, you can build progressions from scales that share some amount of notes. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but here's of a 2-5-1 on planet mars:
lh...../rh
ab, ab / b,eb,gb,bb
db,f,ab / c,eb,g,bb
f / c,e,f,a
there's a couple things going on here, but the main thing is i substitued db(or c# rather) for c in the regular 2-5-1 that leads to the tonic f(gmin7 c7 f).
now why c#? because c# is the fifth tone of a f aug triad. so using a scale that has an sharped fifth you could derive the 2-5-1 gmin7, c#, f.
you could then employ the circle of fifths and precede c# with g#. in my example i cover up the c# with a locrian chord.
it's like you're floating to f.
i hope that makes some sense. still learning...
wats the circle of fifth, and wat's a 2-5-1?
hey inbi
there are many great examples of the circle of fifths and the 2-5-1 in a plethora of articles on this site.
good luck
there are many great examples of the circle of fifths and the 2-5-1 in a plethora of articles on this site.
good luck
inbi, you will need to learn basic music theory before you can learn any jazz at all.
you need to check these books out:
1. jazz piano book (mark levine)
2. piano for dummies - idg books
3. a creative approach to jazz piano harmony
4 the art of jazz improvistation (1-5)
i have all these on cd, plus; all the realbooks (except the col book somehow i lost that one):
jazz fake book, realbooks 1-3, the new real books 1-3, jazz ltd, the book, bill evans fake book, and more learning aids all on one cd.
jv'
1. jazz piano book (mark levine)
2. piano for dummies - idg books
3. a creative approach to jazz piano harmony
4 the art of jazz improvistation (1-5)
i have all these on cd, plus; all the realbooks (except the col book somehow i lost that one):
jazz fake book, realbooks 1-3, the new real books 1-3, jazz ltd, the book, bill evans fake book, and more learning aids all on one cd.
jv'
wow! all on only one cd?
yep, its true the cd is 640 mb!
i also have quite a few of the jamey abersold play along cd's
jv'
jv'
thanks for that styles - lovely resolution to the tonic.
i'm not as up with the theory as you, so i'll think of it as a maj2#-5#-1 being a substitution for a standard 2-5-1.
i'm not as up with the theory as you, so i'll think of it as a maj2#-5#-1 being a substitution for a standard 2-5-1.
thanks styles. just so you all know, i've been a purely classical player up to the moment so please excuse my ignorant questions. im learning the basics of jazz right now. i bought tim richards' 1st book. im going through it quite fast. what do u guys think of the guy? should i have gotten another book?
you need to check these books out:
1. jazz piano book (mark levine)
2. piano for dummies - idg books
3. a creative approach to jazz piano harmony
4 the art of jazz improvistation (1-5)
i have all these on cd, plus; all the realbooks (except the col book somehow i lost that one):
jazz fake book, realbooks 1-3, the new real books 1-3, jazz ltd, the book, bill evans fake book, and more learning aids all on one cd.
1. jazz piano book (mark levine)
2. piano for dummies - idg books
3. a creative approach to jazz piano harmony
4 the art of jazz improvistation (1-5)
i have all these on cd, plus; all the realbooks (except the col book somehow i lost that one):
jazz fake book, realbooks 1-3, the new real books 1-3, jazz ltd, the book, bill evans fake book, and more learning aids all on one cd.
technology these days is just amazing.
sure is- too bad for the musicians who already don't make money to have their books and hard work stolen, though. if anyone is going to use those books, pay for 'em. the $30 bucks you'll pay for one is less than a lesson with a real pro but you'll be able to learn from it for years.
If I'm not back in 24 hours, call the president.
Scot is available for skype jazz piano lessons (and google hangouts, phone call, etc...)
Use the contact link at the top of the page.
Scot is available for skype jazz piano lessons (and google hangouts, phone call, etc...)
Use the contact link at the top of the page.
by Scot Ranney on 09/06/2005, 16:42
sol-art and scott:
if that remark is meant tword me, then i can assure that i've paid for them all. including 4 that i didnt mention by john mehegan books.
would you like to see my reciepts?
but, anyway even if i choose to give them away that would be my bussiness. is that okay with you grand master?
jv'
if that remark is meant tword me, then i can assure that i've paid for them all. including 4 that i didnt mention by john mehegan books.
would you like to see my reciepts?
but, anyway even if i choose to give them away that would be my bussiness. is that okay with you grand master?
jv'
i completely agree with u scot but sadly it is too late to be telling people to pay for the information they can obtain for free. the technology world is slowly becoming an uncontrolable mass orgy of file share. soon, there wont be much text information u cannot get on the net..
, cuz i resent being called a theif when i paid for the items in question.
and yes its legal for me to buy a book and then give it away, give me a freaking break, guys!
and yes, i buy books and then scan them to cd, i believe in redundency. i back up all my documents, books, letter, etc this way.
jv'
and yes its legal for me to buy a book and then give it away, give me a freaking break, guys!
and yes, i buy books and then scan them to cd, i believe in redundency. i back up all my documents, books, letter, etc this way.
jv'
technically, jv, any copies you make of copyrighted material are for your own use only. if you give them away for others to use, you are violating the copyright.
i remember some of the piano competitions and juries i participated in. we had to actually provide several scores (actual purchased copies of the sheet music) to the judges. photocopies were not allowed. it was because of the copyright issue.
i remember some of the piano competitions and juries i participated in. we had to actually provide several scores (actual purchased copies of the sheet music) to the judges. photocopies were not allowed. it was because of the copyright issue.
wow, did i miss something. i thought this was a jazz forum.
theres a catchy nick... jazz inapropriate... wow i like it...
might make a good band name too...
might make a good band name too...
scott, i am waiting for an apology!
jv'
jv, it sounded from your posts like you were willing to give away cd "copies" of these books to people, while you retained the original books.
was that a wrong assumption?
was that a wrong assumption?
accusing you of theft. his admonition to readers to pay for their tools is one of his common themes.
this in no way, shape or form implies or otherwise infers that you are a thief.
i must assume that your abbreviation "stfu" is some kind of insult. and like your many other insults towards me and others here is completely unwarranted.
your gross misinterpretation of this and other issues, and your quickness to take offense where none is given, as well as your propensity to violently lash out at anything that merely appears to hint at some wrong towards you is quickly making you a persona non grata in this forum.
you have been censored several times already for your outbursts, you can also be censored permanently.
you should try acting like a rational adult.
this in no way, shape or form implies or otherwise infers that you are a thief.
i must assume that your abbreviation "stfu" is some kind of insult. and like your many other insults towards me and others here is completely unwarranted.
your gross misinterpretation of this and other issues, and your quickness to take offense where none is given, as well as your propensity to violently lash out at anything that merely appears to hint at some wrong towards you is quickly making you a persona non grata in this forum.
you have been censored several times already for your outbursts, you can also be censored permanently.
you should try acting like a rational adult.
jv,
you know i respect your opinions here and your knowledge of jazz...like i always have stated in the past. i do have to say though that 7 is correct. you're taking offense at almost everything these days. you have argued and upset 2 very knowledgeable people on this site....mike and dr. whack. these people are your allies not your adversaries. now, dr. whack is gone and refuses to post because for the most part you misinterpret statements and feel that everybody is attacking you. you lash out at these people afterward. this is not necessary.
second, mike took a survey to see if he should leave. fortunately, he didn't but it came from comment you made. just relax man we're all friends and working for the same purpose here. learning jazz piano! the site name is not
www.fightoverjazzpiano.com
you know i respect your opinions here and your knowledge of jazz...like i always have stated in the past. i do have to say though that 7 is correct. you're taking offense at almost everything these days. you have argued and upset 2 very knowledgeable people on this site....mike and dr. whack. these people are your allies not your adversaries. now, dr. whack is gone and refuses to post because for the most part you misinterpret statements and feel that everybody is attacking you. you lash out at these people afterward. this is not necessary.
second, mike took a survey to see if he should leave. fortunately, he didn't but it came from comment you made. just relax man we're all friends and working for the same purpose here. learning jazz piano! the site name is not
www.fightoverjazzpiano.com
scot was not attacking you. he didn't even remotely imply that you were stealing and solart...lol..didn't even say a word in relation to your post! for you to mess with scot here..that's just ridiculous.
one last thing...i know you'll probably yell at me and attack me now and tell me to stfu because of my posts here. if that's the situation then so be it...but somebody has to say something.
complete bs jv...never conversed once with dr. whack. anyway, i started to make a long post and start an argument with you but i'll skip it...not going there with you. my point has been made and is shared by a number of people. not asking you to enjoy yourself here just cool it man!
what is complete bs. i can show you the post where me and him talked alot, we didn't (though normally we did) always agree, but we were friends.
i'm not aksing you to start an argument with me, i'm asking you to have your facts straight like a honest person should have already, thats all.
have a blessed day ny friend' :)
jv'
i'm not aksing you to start an argument with me, i'm asking you to have your facts straight like a honest person should have already, thats all.
have a blessed day ny friend' :)
jv'
i never conversed with him was all i'm saying. i will always try to have my facts straight when i post and i ask the same of you. don't post off of anger post off of facts.
ok..so i know you'll grossly misinterpret this. so, let me start off by saying jv i'm not questioning your playing or your authority lol...but i would love to hear some of your playing. i'm not one of those a-hole musicians who tries to knock everybody down. i believe people are good or great players until i'm proven otherwise. you've named yourself jazz virtuoso so i would love to hear you!
james
ok..so i know you'll grossly misinterpret this. so, let me start off by saying jv i'm not questioning your playing or your authority lol...but i would love to hear some of your playing. i'm not one of those a-hole musicians who tries to knock everybody down. i believe people are good or great players until i'm proven otherwise. you've named yourself jazz virtuoso so i would love to hear you!
james
!
jv'
jv'
you can submit your version and i can submitt mine. do we have a deal?
jv'
jv'
come see me play next week at the baked potato in l.a. i don't have anything online right now.
nope, too far away, but like i said, name a tune any tune you want and we'll both submit our version of it.
thats fair is it not?
what kind of music are you playing? jazz, rock, country, r&b, soul...what?
and name some songs that your band plays!
jv'
thats fair is it not?
what kind of music are you playing? jazz, rock, country, r&b, soul...what?
and name some songs that your band plays!
jv'
this is a sort of a fusion gig. alot of it is modal but lots of playing in 5 and 7 and 11. it gets pretty funky. this particular band does soul standards but instrumentally....use me up, stevie wonder tunes, the in crowd, mercy mercy, a couple weather report tunes, giant steps with a backbeat. the originals like i said though are mostly in odd times.
i used to do gigs like these alot when i was younger but now i either do gospel church gigs, straight ahead jazz gigs, or suprisinigly 3-5 chord rock gigs. i love them!
do you gig alot jv and if so what kind of gigs? is there anything else i can call you because virtuoso is such a strong word. i'm sure you're a great player but i just feel weird doing that till i've heard you play.
i used to do gigs like these alot when i was younger but now i either do gospel church gigs, straight ahead jazz gigs, or suprisinigly 3-5 chord rock gigs. i love them!
do you gig alot jv and if so what kind of gigs? is there anything else i can call you because virtuoso is such a strong word. i'm sure you're a great player but i just feel weird doing that till i've heard you play.
just call me "jv" that's cool by me( and know im not a virtuoso). i've said that several times on here. i even mentioned that fact recently even on the thread were on now! i have had my plate wiped clean several times by musicians several times my skill!
and to be quite honest, i wiped others peoples plate clean a few times too! not that it makes any difference or not. the name gives me inspiration thats all!
see, i've never tried to give the impression that i was the best, but at least i know my limitations (thats statement was not aimed at you).
anyway as far as the giging goes right now its just me and my wife, twice a week at a restuarant right by my house. she's a singer, we do alot of dianna krall type stuff, some prince tunes(i know most all his stuff), i love stevie, i play about four of his tunes.
but mostly standards and a fourth of our set consists of mostly orignals!
jv'
and to be quite honest, i wiped others peoples plate clean a few times too! not that it makes any difference or not. the name gives me inspiration thats all!
see, i've never tried to give the impression that i was the best, but at least i know my limitations (thats statement was not aimed at you).
anyway as far as the giging goes right now its just me and my wife, twice a week at a restuarant right by my house. she's a singer, we do alot of dianna krall type stuff, some prince tunes(i know most all his stuff), i love stevie, i play about four of his tunes.
but mostly standards and a fourth of our set consists of mostly orignals!
jv'
scot where u at when we need u to bring order! no need to take sides, just stop the argument..
why don't you two just have cutting contest and get it over with...
jus kiddin
jus kiddin
inbi we aren't arguing we were trying to agree on a song that both of us could submit here on this song.
hey, inbi have you tried the black miles jazz piano series?
jv'
hey, inbi have you tried the black miles jazz piano series?
jv'
song=forum
jv
since you "own"(...:-)...) so many resources i have a couple questions questions..
1. what does the bill evans fake book contain?
i only own a real book, and wonder if the bill evans fake book employs the same setup, which is just melody and chords.
to further learn things from bill evans, would i be better off buying some transcriptions to accurately analyze the music?
2. among the best historical compists like bill evans, wynton kelly, and red garland, what transcriptions or other resources do you suggest? my goal is to develop a good two handed style to support band members...
since you "own"(...:-)...) so many resources i have a couple questions questions..
1. what does the bill evans fake book contain?
i only own a real book, and wonder if the bill evans fake book employs the same setup, which is just melody and chords.
to further learn things from bill evans, would i be better off buying some transcriptions to accurately analyze the music?
2. among the best historical compists like bill evans, wynton kelly, and red garland, what transcriptions or other resources do you suggest? my goal is to develop a good two handed style to support band members...
boo-hoo,sniff... i just was amazed at cd capacities, nothing more.
sorry if i offended you sol-art i really apologize.
jv'
jv'
thanks jv, will look into it
thank you jv.
thanx jv
i'm average or above average at best
my hardest song in my repitiore is moment's notice, which i haven't mastered yet...
i'm average or above average at best
my hardest song in my repitiore is moment's notice, which i haven't mastered yet...
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