&search=ariel%20piano. amazing. can any of you critique his playing? i don't think so. this kid is the next oscar peterson.
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we need this kid's name so we can watch him grow!
prodigies often fizzle out when they grow up.
they fail to mature.
i've seen so many that, as adults, no longer had anything special about them because they were no longer "child prodigies".
i remember one young woman -- a classical pianist -- who was still dressing like a little girl when she was 20.  wow, that was sad.
not really a "wow factor" on that video for me.
the kid's playing is average.  i've seen much more impressive suzuki-trained kids.  and nobody called them prodigies.
it is always fun with prodigies, but i have to agree with cynbad. there is a long way from beeing a prodigy to become the next oscar peterson. and do we really need a new oscar peterson? ;) the old one is good enough for me... :)
yeah, i gotta agree with cynbad. the kid's obviously exceptional for his age, but if i was watching an adult professional jazz pianist play like that i wouldn't be all that impressed; that's where the child prodigy term is misused.  child prodigies blow you away full stop, not just because they're so young.  but that said, i wouldn't like my playing at his age to have been critiqued (not that i do now!)
his name is ariel.
wasn't oscar peterson a child prodigy?  wasn't art tatum a child prodigy?
who cares?
i agree with cynbad, hes nothing really special in my opinion, probably not the next oscar peterson, ive seen more impressive things.
i heard eldar when he was 9 years old on a npr interview. he played amazingly well a couple of oscar peterson transcriptions with great technique and swing. now, he was a child prodigy that has now developed into a monster jazz player.
eldar is still a child prodigy.
eldar is a classical virtuoso, and he is basically playing virtuosic arrangements of jazz pieces.
he's got scary technique, but he does not swing.
in my opinion.
mozart was beyond prodigy and he certainly had some issues, and
didn't even live out of his 30's.
"eldar is a classical virtuoso, and he is basically playing virtuosic arrangements of jazz pieces.
he's got scary technique, but he does not swing."

he can swing, but he is really robotic.........it's like "chick lick, oscar lick, fourth lick, chick lick".  there is not a lot of continuity to what he plays.  i played duets with him when he was 11, and he scared the hell out of me..............his technique is insane.  but........one thing this ariel kid has over eldar..........he is actually going for his own stuff.  you can hear that he is creating while he plays...........when eldar was that age(and even now), you basically just hear him regurgitating stuff he has learned.  i wouldn't be so pessimistic about the kid.........he may show up one day and cut all of us; of course, that'll probably cause people to hate his playing even more :o)
you are pretty rude with this child ! he's so cute, thanks for the link. why comparing with an adult pro-pianist ? alot of players on ljp got such a level that maybe this boy is an average player, and maybe the term prodigy is excessive, but i don't care what he'll be wearing at 20, the fact is he seems advanced for his age, no ? i'd like to ask to the teachers if you think he's improvising all along, or he plays only by memory (as he seems to play stricly the same notes twice on that tune), and do you think he probably already got alot of theory on harmony and so on, and could he play like this without any theory knowledge ? what do you think ?
all i know is that he has a jazz teacher and a classical teacher and composes so he has the technique and improve. here he's playing all the things you are. &search=ariel%20piano
this kid is crazy. how does he play all this without reading it. that is a long ass song to memorize.
dalty, how in the world were you able to meet all these great musicians throughout your life? 'must've been in the right place at the right time!
"eldar is a classical virtuoso, and he is basically playing virtuosic arrangements of jazz pieces.
he's got scary technique, but he does not swing.
in my opinion."

he certainly swings on those peterson transcriptions, however he didn't improvise at all. i think where he is as an artist today has to be defined by "what kind" of jazz musician he is.  

imo, he plays prearranged riffs/patterns and skillfully lays it out as a spontaneous improv. it's sorta like a "pop stylist" way of playing jazz. i can't blame his approach because there are more than a few musicians who apply this method for jazz.  

on the otherhand, you have artists like tatum, powell, evans, for example, that are highly praised for their creative originality. those are the players we all hold in high esteem. who knows if eldar will develop into that type of player. but, he sure has that "wow" factor that jazz fans like.
call him whatever you want, this kid is amazing.  he's only 8 years old.  there are some videos of him playing classical pieces on the site called piano street (audition room).  two of his performances that i saw were prelude and fugue in g major.  incredible.
okay maybe he is quite good for his age but he's much more of a classical piano player... &search=child%20prodigy%20piano
"dalty, how in the world were you able to meet all these great musicians throughout your life?"

i actually went to interlochen back in high school the first year that eldar had come to the us.  he was in a couple classes with me, so we got to play together.  most other musicians i met becuase i went to berklee and eastman.............great players coming through those places everyday.

anyone hear this dude?  
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pretty killin.
please...lets`s stop this thread before we alle start to cry, become insane or/and stop playing the piano...:)

that chopin guy...wow...:)
this kid is crazy lol. &search=bobby%20lee
this child prodigy was pretty special.  
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speaking of prodigies..........anyone ever heard a recording of sergio salvatore when he was like 13?  lol..............eldar doesn't hold a candle to him.
anyone ever wonders what happens to all the child prodigys?
i seen a lot in my time who were so fantastic as a child but i never saw them in the music buisness as adult musicstars. makes you wonder if it's really that great to be a prodigy?
nihonjin
this kid is not very good. he will be in 10years i'm sure but not now..


good point i listen to that cd all the time. in fact im listening to it right now. its called tune up:

track list:

1.autumn leaves
2.footprints
3.tune up
4.locked up combination
5.times place
6.moments in montreal
7.au privave
8.sea journey
9.almost home
10.somewhere over the rainbow (a duetwith chic corea)

and he plays all these songs with ease, he swings and has the playing maturity of an adult.


jv'
style recording (like david benoit). however, the kid has chops-to-die for.
thejaffer, what are you talking about he's not good. you probably couldn't play jingle bells when you were 9.
yeah sergio salvatore is good value, i've got this 1/2 hour documentary of him which is interesting. his dad's a jazz pianist as well so he obviously created a monster.

while we're talking about prodigies i don't really know what to make of this:
https://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2669012?htv=12


and here's some japanese drumming kid. the first one is when he's 6 yrs, the second is when he's 8:


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this is the wildest prodigy of them all..... he is the best...


the thing about many people with that kind of talent at a very young age is that they lack, and will always lack, social skills.

any professional musician knows that it's not how well you play, it's how well you hang out that counts when it comes to getting gigs and sessions.

of course, there are those handful of players who are so good and wind up in a good situation that it works out, players such as aaron parks for example.  aaron has a mom who is better than any booking agent or manager out there, as far as relating to marketing and such. without her, aaron might be one of those great players keeping the piano bench warm at the downtown sheraton for the next fifteen years.
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"aaron has a mom who is better than any booking agent or manager out there, as far as relating to marketing and such."

yeah, not to mention that his whole family moved to new york with him when he started college......he definitely has a really good support group.

"this is the wildest prodigy of them all..... he is the best..."

lolololol.  that is amazing.  surely they have a spot for him on snl.
ole, that guy is so funny!  i've seen people posting links to that video for at least a year now!
the problem with being a prodigy or a genius or what have you, is that you are expected to achieve great things. it puts a lot of stress upon you and without the proper support group, or luck, or whatever, you can get bogged down... and fail to produce as you or others may expect you too. which ties in with what scot was saying above.
tying in with scot's post, i've known of prodigies who had little or no life experience outside of music.  as one of my piano professors once said, "if you spend your whole life in the practice room, that's what your music is going to sound like."

additionally, some prodigies who are coddled and over-supported by parents and others, end up not developing any life skills whatsoever.  they never had to fend for themselves -- everything was always done for them.  they never had to pay the bills, make a living, get groceries, pay the rent, handle insurance, deal with interpersonal relationships, etc.  
"helicopter parents" can be very detrimental.
"as one of my piano professors once said, "if you spend your whole life in the practice room, that's what your music is going to sound like."

art tatum practiced something like 14 hours a day, did he not?

"additionally, some prodigies who are coddled and over-supported by parents and others, end up not developing any life skills whatsoever.  they never had to fend for themselves -- everything was always done for them.  they never had to pay the bills, make a living, get groceries, pay the rent, handle insurance, deal with interpersonal relationships, etc. "

i don't think this has anything to do with prodigies...............there are a lot of kids that have parents who do everything for them!  i've known a few prodigies who actually have very good social skills...........people seem to be so pessimistic about prodigies!  sure, some don't reach their potential cause they burn out, or whatever.....but some can!  people just rag on them because they are jealous.   i would call aaron parks a prodigy, and he is a likeable guy and a very good musician!
art tatum also had a real life.
i didn't limit the criticism to prodigies.  not all prodigies are coddled, and not all coddled people are prodigies.
i never said otherwise.  you have no argument here, dalty.

the only real "jealousy" some of us might feel is that some people were supported their whole lives by others, and never had to actually make a living for themselves.  someone else waited tables or mopped floors or whatever so the "artiste" would not have to be bothered with paying the bills.
the artists i truly admire are the ones who actually managed to support themselves while developing their artistry, rather than leeching off of others.
dalty52 wrote "art tatum practiced something like 14 hours a day, did he not?"

did he?  i'm interested to know your source for this?  i suppose he must have worn through the leather on a good few piano benches in his youth.

andy
"the artists i truly admire are the ones who actually managed to support themselves while developing their artistry, rather than leeching off of others."

1.  i wouldn't consider a kid who is fortunate enough to have parents that have money and will help him/her out a leech.  if the kid "sucks money" out of the parents until he/she was 35........that's a different story.

2.  just because someone has been fortunate in their life does not mean they are unable to create art as great as someone who has struggled.

3.  i disagree with the jealousy comment..........i think many people rag on prodigies because they are jealous of the playing ability.......you may not be one of them, but it does happen quite a lot.

4.  prodigies who practice 14 hours a day are also able to have a life just like art tatum did.  your professor is assuming things about people that he knows nothing about........not all prodigies practice all of the time :o)  (i'm assuming he was referring to prodigies when he made that comment.......if not, disregard my comment).  most people say bad things about practicing so much because they are not able to actually get in the practice room and do it themselves.
dalty, you make a lot of assumptions.
"4.  prodigies who practice 14 hours a day are also able to have a life just like art tatum did.  your professor is assuming things about people that he knows nothing about........not all prodigies practice all of the time :o)  (i'm assuming he was referring to prodigies when he made that comment.......if not, disregard my comment).  most people say bad things about practicing so much because they are not able to actually get in the practice room and do it themselves. "
first, someone who practices 14 hours a day is probably not a prodigy.  that person is practicing damn hard.
you don't know my professor -- i do.  he practically was a prodigy himself.  not exactly, but as a young person, he was a hyper-acheiver in music.  he graduated from juilliard.  he won a major competition.  the difference between him and other "wonders" was that he actually did things other than music.  he was a rock climber.  he played tennis.  things like that.
you don't seem to understand what he was getting at.  if you have no life experience outside of the practice room, you have nothing to bring to your life.  no depth, no passion, no lifeforce.  surely you've met some of these practice-room commandos...  no personality at all.  they do exist.  not one of us has said that all "prodigies" are the same or that everyone is like this.  we are talking about a certain type of person.

nor was i referring to a child leeching off of his parents.  
i was thinking more of the likes of keith jarrett and even monk.
both of them lived off of women for a good part of their adult lives.  first it was mommy, then it was the second mommy -- the wife.

i have known some prodigies in my life who simply didn't know how to grow up and never "made it" as adult artists.  they stopped developing.  then, i've known other prodigies who made the transition just fine.  

for the life of me i don't know what you're arguing about, dalty.
sometimes other people actually know what they are talking about and even have more life experience than you do.
maybe i shouldn't be so hard on you...  i can remember being your age.
"nor  was i referring to a child leeching off of his parents."  

you should've been more clear, then...........we were talking about prodigies, which usually refers to young musicians.  you really don't appreciate the artistry of keith or monk, just because of their personal life?  what about miles?  he was a chauvenist, a jerk, a druggie, you name it......at some point he was it.  

"someone who practices 14 hours a day is probably not a prodigy.  that person is practicing damn hard."

uhhh..........then why did you bring up the quote from your professor?  according to what you are saying, your professor's quote would not pertain to a prodigy.

"maybe i shouldn't be so hard on you...  i can remember being your age."

you aren't being hard on me.......lol............maybe i shouldn't be so hard on you :o)  i could care less about your age or mine..........if i disagree with you, i will say so.

"for  the life of me i don't know what you're arguing about, dalty."

lol......this is insane.......is that not what these forums are for?  if i disagree with something said on the forum, it makes it a more lively discussion for me to say so, than not say anything.  our government is bad enough about people not saying what they feel...........surely we can refrain from stooping to that level here.  i am arguing with you because i think you are making some stupid points.....if you don't agree, fine, but that is not going to stop me from saying what i feel.

i don't need to know your professor to make an opinion about a statement that you say he made.  that is my opinion.......i think it's a generalization that is not always true(the fact that tons and tons of practicing can make you antisocial, etc).  it is at times.....but not always.  i have a friend who sheds hours and hours......and he is the most friendly and outgoing guy.  he just manages his time well and fits the practicing in.  i have a lot of friends who go to juilliard, manhattan, eastman, berklee, etc..........who have won major competitions..................who are hyper achievers..........who practice all of the time...........and who go to the gym, play tennis, go to parties, have sex, smoke, drink, etc.  

my point here comes back to the video of the young guy that started this thread.  you do not know his situation.......nor do you know how much he practices, how many girlfriends he has, who his friends are, or aren't, or how socially adept he is.  so, for the sake of being supportive of young musicians who are up and coming, maybe it would be killin to not be so negative about people who are gifted everytime the topic is brought up.  these are the cats who are going to help keep the music alive and breathing.  sure, there will be times that they go overboard and maybe need to step back and breathe some air.........but, it wouldn't hurt to initially be positive about their situation.
for one thing the kid plays the tune for a long time without losing the form and while being video taped, even if the way he played it totally sucked, which it did not, more than probally 99.9 percent of the pianists in this forum would not be capable of doing that without at least preparing the tune 8 hours a day for months.
"first it was mommy, then it was the second mommy  -- the wife."

i hate this attitude that some women take. treating your man like your child is nothing but dead wrong, and you'd better believe this irks men to no end. it's just awful how many women do this. your mate is supposed to be your equal (it's between the couple who works or doesn't), not your boss or god. and so what if a man lives off of his wife, don't more women do this than men? anyway love is more important than anything else, if you haven't got love, you haven't got a relationship.
what about daddy?
solart, i was referring to certain men who live off of women.
yes, you are right, there are women who live off of "daddy" as well.
it can work both ways.  people should grow up and support themselves and stop using other people.

my objection is to grown people who have the luxury to pursue their "art" 24/7 because someone else is supporting them.  someone else who never got to pursue their dreams because they were supporting someone else.  i can understand parents doing this for their children, but i can't understand one adult doing it for another.  it some kind of disorder, like maybe "co-dependency".
ok.  
i would like to ad in some countries or regions of america it is incredibly hard to find work. another possibility; some people are worth having even like this because you truly love them. let's face it, most people don't really like their jobs anyway, so at least they can love their mates! and know they'll be there (to enjoy the company, etc. of) when they get home from work.
hell, solart, i've been supporting my husband off and on for years, but it's not because he's a leech, it's because he has a wrist injury and it's hard to find/keep work around here.  neither of us is pursuing a "dream" at the expense of the other.
i understand. don't move to germany, the job market here is the pits, although with the social system you're covered (also very nice like at the dentist's or doctor's). but if you're a foreigner who didn't get an education here forget it. plus they let in every poor slob or asylum seeker, which stresses the system.
knock it off or face censorship.  this thread is about the kid who can play anthropology.
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actually i thought it was ornithology.
but ya what are these people talking about.  i came back hoping to see that i had pissed people off by claming that no one in the forum would have been able to as ggod a job with the tune as this kid and instead every one was bableing about???  i dont know what... it was pretty much a dissapointment.
yeah, ornithology :)  i only watched part of the video back when the thread started.

regardless, at his age i could barely find middle c and plunk out something that occasionally sounded like chopsticks.
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child prodigy? i use to be a classical child prodigy destined for juliarrd... guess what? i'm going to a technical college for office and business tech and eventually plan to major in economics (if i don't live out my dream and major in piano) haha :d
here's another one for you, an 11 year old singer who won nbc10 talentshow this year..
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