michael,

if you are, in fact, correct, in saying that "peformers are rarely good teachers" then learning to sing well, would be the only exception in seeking a teacher who wasn't any good at what you sought to learn----

i can't  think of anything i would want to learn to do---where it wouldn't required the teacher to be good at what they are teaching.

i am admitting that you may be correct that there are those who have no desire to perform who can dedicate themselves and become excellent teachers and i am saying that would indeed make them noble people and worth looking into to be your teacher---

michael, even in a recording studio, if an engineer is a frustrated performer, he, sometimes will be "jealous of" those who can play their instruments well and unknowinly bring his/her frustration into play and i once heard it happen in the mixdown for a wonderful artist---and felt so sad---but had no control to change the outcome, which is a product which is "inferior" when the artist was "extrordinary"  made me cry.

now am zealous in seeking exactly what you say a good teacher is--in an engineer for recording, which i am doing a lot of now----( an engineer who is not a frustrated entertainer or musician)----

i never had anyone tamper with my voice, but because i sing better at my age now then i did in my twenties and had so many wanting me to coach them---i made a concentrated effort to be "aware" of what i was doing---so that i could help a few who have wonderful natural instruments.

i never really wanted to do any coaching, actually i still don't---but felt it a spiritual obligation, because i knew i could help them.

this is what i believe is true----all too many who have tried everything to have an audience applaud them in the way they wanted to happen---in realizing that they haven't got "it"---will hang up a sign--and call themselves "teachers" and do great harm to those "innocents" with the natural instrument----the human vocal instrument.

i will agree that there probably are those who love the human voice so much and realized that they would never be  successful singers and are not angry or frustrated---but accepting that their gift is to "teach"----wonderful----

can't fault that---shouldn't---wouldn't---

michael----what tells us that we are good is that audience applauding
if and when it stops thundering for me---i won't be doing it---

my point and i won't be changing it--- yes, my soul hurts for those

innocents who's voices may be harmed by those who have no options

and will be hanging up a sign "voice teacher"

i have documented my coaching technique and i give this to those that i coach-- to read---

as i want them to see if it "feels right for them" and be open and honest about all i can----and also----what i, and  no coach can do for them, if they don't have enough natural ability and perception level to excel in singing.

i don't really want to coach and don't need the money as my career is my focus----but these few that i work with are working professionally, making good money, and most of all are happy and postitive singers and an inspiration to me and those that hear them.

they will long, successful careers--as i do.as long as they are physically healthy----they will sing well.

the  proof is indeed "in the pudding"----

i do not agree with your statement that "performers are not good at "teaching"

if a performer who is a successful singer---- is also doing a little coaching----i'd give it a "look, see" way before someone you can't "hear" doing what you want to do-----my logic will not be swayed--on this.

i will say that for those who are not good singers who coach and who have expectionally high perception levels and hold their integrity to the "voice"and take sacred their commitment to help those that have natural instruments--- bravo!!!!

if and when the audience does not applaud and loudly----for my performance

i will no longer perform----

i won't coach if that happens either---because i have this "quirk" that says "if i can't inspire them with my voice and performance" i'd rather they have someone who can---

i know, i know----i'm not saying i'm right, michael,

i'm just expressing who i am and how i feel

that's what makes us all "wake up"---to think, to ponder, to change our opinions---if need be

hey, my soul is a loving one---my love to the human instrument is enormous, and not just my own voice---

my fears for the "vulnerable"---are valid----way to many who do apply to the "those who can--- do---and those who can't---teach" are tampering where they will be "harmful"

but  you have made me see----there are those noble souls who have dedicated themselves to their technicques to help the singer---who are not "singers"---

i'm glad there are

i just wouldn't study with them---not me!

i'm standing firmly for myself---which, after all, is what all of us stand on,

i'm not from missouri, but i might as well have been---

as for me, they gotta "show me"

bev redding
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