i am a fan of the verses to pop songs and i have quite a few favorites. there is one particular song  i am thinking of. it is a jazz classic and i have never heard the song performed without the verse. can you guess its name ? answer soon   thanks for playing
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don't overlook the kawai mp8 ($1795).
"rootless voicings in left hand w/ octaves in the right hand"

yes, but first try adding just one note in the right hand over your rootless voicings. notice that the root and 5th sounds good on most chords. you already have all the essential notes in your left hand, your right hand is adding harmless extensions, the bass players beloved root and 5th!  the 9th can sound good too and the 11th on minor 7ths.

then try two notes in the right hand over your four note rootless left hand voicngs. try root and 5th or 9th and 5th

then goo for the octaves (it's loudest voicings) and try playing a 3rd or fourth under the top note
lush life?
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i highly recommend the roland rd700 sx! i have never heard a better sounding digital piano. it feels exactly like a real piano and the main piano sound is breath taking, you should check it out
mark levine's 7 voicing systems, as exhibited in the companion transcription book of his comping on the aebersold play-a-long cd "the magic of miles"

stacks of thirds
stacks of fourths
stacks of fifths ("kenny barron" voicings)
"so what" chords (and inversions of them)
left-hand voicings with octave+fifth or octave+third in right hand
upper structure triads (often combined with left-hand voicings)
drop 2 block chords
i also guess lush life.
can you explain jazz+ ? i'm fully satistified with the mp8. in this category of price, probably the best touch for this kind of piano (the nearest from a "real" one compared to what i tried before buying, and i guess you're "sensible" to that point with your classical experience, aeroguy).  
you'd be lucky to get it at this price ($1795 is 1350€) because here in europe, the best price i've seen (and got) for it is : 1700€ ($2250).
atleast (amongst others) try it (if you can) to make your own decision.
st. louis blues?
like elwapo, i'm also very happy with my rd700sx, and it should come in well under your budget. that said, i haven't tried the kawai stage pianos, and have heard very good things about the action.
explain what? my two current favorites are the kawai mp8 and the roland rd-700sx.
so what's the answer?
if anyone's looking for a great keyboard, costco has a yamaha in stock that is really nice for the price.  i think it has the same action and many of the sounds that the es series has.  the yamaha dgx 620b and it comes in between $600-$700, perfect for an apt.  i love this keyboard and am thinking about getting one, actually, for another place so i have something to play when i'm there.
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right the answer is   lush life thx any more ideas?
ah ok jazz+, sorry, i guess i don't know exactly the meaning of the verb "overlook", i thought it meant "don't look at"
can't forget  
i've got a crush on you
overlook= n'oubliez pas de regarder
right--- also but not for me====someone to watch over me====and more than you know. good listening /  charlie
oops, that should read for "don't overlook"
sorry for any confusion.
peace out.
thanks for the help : "n'oubliez pas de regarder", word for word, is : "don't forget to look at..", that seems coherent in this context. anyway, i confirm i'm fully satisfied with the mp8, jazz+ confirmed it's a good digital piano.
peace out.
keyboard mag just did a review of all the home models in their current issue.  that is a must read if you are considering a home model.  my advice would be to not get a home model however... why pay the extra money for the furniture that will restrict your movement and they typically charge extra for features that have nothing to do with making music.
i bought the yamaha p-70 for around 500.00.  it has the 88 weighted keys and the great digital piano sounds.  although it only has 32 note polyphony i have yet to play fast enough to hear any notes dropped.
my only criticism is that the outputs are mini plugs, and i really prefer the rca type output.  but for midi is fine.
at 28 pounds, it is hard to beat the weight.
so the general sentiment is against home models? how is the feel/action and sound of the rd700? i'll also be playing a lot of classical music.
i just looked at the roland 700sx. it looks great, but the price is a bit much. on its own i think the price might be okay, but then you have to buy a stand and a bench and all that jazz...
i think the rd700sx can be had for about $1800 plus $38 shipping...
check out the yamaha nocturne.  i am impressed with many of the clavinova models and the nocturne sounds like the perfect compromise to go digital.  no extra frills but not bad looking.
i again played the kawai mp4, kawai mp8, roland rd-700sx and the yamaha cp300 side by side yesterday. the mp8 has the better action than the mp4. the roland rd-700sx set up beside them had a more realistic sound. my vote goes to the roland rd-700sx.
the yamaha cp300 was too stiff and those prone to wrist problems should avoid the yamaha p series. also, legato eight note lines are near impossible on th p series because the attack portion of each note (hammer strike) is substantialy louder than the sustain portion. therefore, legato eight notes sound like marcatto or "tack tack tack tack" type phrasing.
any other opinions? i looked at the rd700sx and the kawai mp8. they're a bit more than i want to pay. they're just under $2000, but then you have to buy a stand, bench, amp, cords, etc.

i really don't want to spend more than $2000 for everything since i'll probably be going back to school in a year and a half.
i sold my kawai mp9500 and played the kawai mp8, the yamaha cp300 and the rd700sx side by side, the roland rd700sx won - great action and a really great sound(superior grand).


i to playedthe kawai mp8, the yamaha cp300 and the rd700sx side by side, and i chose the rd-700sx for it's "superior grand" sound.  
add the srx-12 expansion card and you have the best rhodes sound in hardware.


i too played the kawai mp8, the yamaha cp300 and the rd700sx side by side, and i chose the rd-700sx for it's "superior grand" sound.
add the srx-12 expansion card and you have the best rhodes sound in hardware.

i'm still looking for a piano. the rd700sx seems a little on the expensive side, especially for home use. anyone have more suggestions? i'm now leaning toward keyboards as opposed to console models.
i just added a roland xv-5050 sound module with the srx-11 expansion card for piano sounds to my set-up. apparantly the piano sounds on the srx-11 are the same sounds as the rd700sx, i remember reading that somewhere when i was researching this synth. i use my casio privia as a controller. the privia has a very nice weighted key feel, especially considering it's price tag. it's onboard piano sounds are decent, as long as you don't try to turn it up. it's also quite a bit lighter than many 88-key weighted controllers (26 lbs.). total cost:

casio privia px-100: $450 (i've seen them for less on-line)
roland xv-5050, used off e-bay: $325
srx-11 expansion card: $225

total, about a grand. good feeling, good sounding, lightweight setup. now i just need to get some speakers that can do justice to the xv-5050's sounds. i have a sinking feeling that those might cost as much as the rest of my set-up combined.
i also have the  sx-11 that i gig with. the srx-11 and the rd-700sx piano samples come from the same sample source material. however, they are not identical and don't sound equal. the rd-700sx's sample set is tailored in a different way. it uses a different chips, a different processor, a to d converters, action sensors, all integerated for  a superior result.
yes, the speakers are half the equation.

look at these ( i use a pair of ev sxa360, $900 each)
digital pianos don't realy capture the resonance and acoustic profile of a piano, therefore on gigs i don't play the the piano sound on digital pianos. on gigs i play the rhodes sound 99% of the time (srx-12). and the rhodes sound does not require good stereo speakers the way digital piano sounds do. rhodes can sound good even through a mono guitar amp.
this is going to be strictly for home use. i understand that digital pianos don't capture the true sound of an acoustic piano -- that's besides the point. i want something for me to play on at home that has good sound and feel.

i live in an apartment so i'll probably be using headphones most of the time.
the set-up i described above sounds great through headphones, but i'm at the point where i'm starting to think about how do i fill a room full of people with the sound i hear in the headphones, that's how the subject of speakers came up. sorry for hijacking your thread.

i should say in fairness to the privia, i think the piano sounds are better than just "decent," really i'd rate them above average, especially when you're just listening to them through headphones. as a practice instrument it has suited me very well for the last couple of years, just by itself without a sound module. it's only when you turn the volume knob up past half-way that you start to notice the flaws in the piano's sound, but for practicing purposes you never need to turn the volume up that high, unless there's construction going on right outside your door or something.

jazz+, i'm a little bit confused - do you or do you not gig with the piano sounds on the srx-11? i went with this module based partly on your reccomendation, in addition to some other reviews i read on-line when i was researching it. i do plan on adding the srx-12 at some point, right now i need to pay a couple other bills first. i understand why you would prefer to go with a well-replicated rhodes sound as opposed to a close-but-not-quite replicated piano sound. i'm assuming you're talking about for ensemble work. but if you had a situation where you specifically needed piano sounds, say for example if you were hired to play solo piano somewhere where there was no piano, do you think that, assuming one had a good pair of speakers, that the srx-11's sounds would be up to the task?
i use the srx-11 for solo piano gigs and the srx-12 rhodes for ensembles: duos, trios, etc.  

when i play live with the srx-11, i use the rock piano 04. this is because it is brighter and therefore has more clarity and presence in a live setting. when playing live, the srx-11's piano 01 or 03 sound muffled to me, even though i have an expensive pair of ev sxa360 powered speakers. through headphones 01 and 03 sound nice, but they change in a live setting.
i have a yamaha p-90, which i think has the best grand sound out there. the action is a bit heavy, but i think that is better than lightweight action, especially when you switch back to a "real" piano once in a while. it is good for your touch to have some counterweight...

for monitoring, i use a set of krk rp-5's. these monitors are amazing, great value for money!
i inflamed my tendonitis playing p250, p120 and p90 pianos. i avoid them at all costs now and stick with the real thing or rolands.  
i neve could get a decent jazz piano sound live with the p250, p120 or p90 on gigs. they sounded ok at home but muffled live, so i used the rhodes sound. their pianos didn't have enough sustain after the initial hammer strike of each note so it sounded clangy and over percussed. it was good for rock, funk and blues but hated the yamaha p series sound for live acoustic jazz. i used used the rhodes ep instead.
i only use my p90 for home use, so i don't know how it sounds live. i still think it has the best piano sounds. and i've tried a lot of different brands. as for the tendonitis, i can't judge on that
okay, still haven't bought one... but i have narrowed it down to the three everyone's talking about:

3)yamaha somethingorother

i'm guessing they all sound pretty good. at this point i'm learning more toward the action than the sound. i figure it'd be easier to transition back to a real piano someday if i play on something now that feels as close as possible.  

from what i gather, the 700sx is on the light side. is it lighter, than say, the typical grand piano? how about the mp8? it sounds like the yamahas are on the heavy side, which is why i'm leaning toward the first two. however, i don't want to go with the 700sx if it's lighter than most real pianos.

also, i'm assuming the mp8 has drum beats and such to play along with like the 700sx and yamaha models?
the rd-700sx action is not on the light side, it is heavier than my upright action and heavier than i actualy like. the rd-700sx wins hands down in live piano sound, in  my opinion, and i have gigged with them all (yamaha cp300, s90es, kawai mp8, rd-700sx)
haven't anyone still tried clavia nord stage 88 ?  this is the best stage piano i've ever tried. the upright piano and the c7 grand are phenomenal. also the rhodes and wurlizer sounds are the best i have tried.
often times what  makes an action feel differently is the velocity sensitivity.  you can adjust the feel of the action by adjusting those settings.

try playing on the various keyboards when they are not powered on, they will most likely feel completely different when they are not triggering a sound.  it will help you determine whether the keys are actually harder to press or not.

all of these preferences vary from person to person.

i recently met franz mohr (chief tech for steinway) and he told me how he would adjust pianos for the various artists.  all steinways have the same action, but can all be adjusted to respond differently
i'm still a bit concerned about the action and how it connects to the sound. how do you think the 700sx is in this regard? jazz+, which of those keyboards you mentioned would you pick after the 700sx?
i thi k the rd-700sx key to sound connection is fine. it can be had for $1695. after the rd-700sx i would pick the kawai mp for its action and sound ($1795)
okay, so i finally ordered the mp8! now i'm looking for a stand. this may not be the best place since so many people gig and i want one just for home. it's a heavy keyboard so i was thinking a z type stand. i'm also going to need a place to put my monitors in the future. i saw a nice quiklok z-stand that you can buy monitor stand attachments for, but the lowest height it went to was 26". the mp8 is about 4" to the top of the keys, making the height 30" off the ground when the standard piano is 28.5". i'm not sure i'm a fan of the 4 legged table type stands... any suggestions?
quiclok ws-550 with the extension legs removed is what  recommend. i have two of them and they go as low as 23 inches.
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