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are there any jazz tunes for 6/8? i discovered that it was very hard to play tunes in 6/8 because the language seems to be kinda different. is this a good way to learn to play solo lines that are triplet based? i think it might be...
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'all blues' from miles' 'kind of blue' is in 6/8.  wayne shorter's footprints is also in 6, although technically it's 6/4.  

i'm not entirely sure why you think that it would be easier to play triplets in 6/8 than any other time signature though?  perhaps you could describe in more detail what you are trying to do and what problems you are experiencing and i'm sure we'll do our best to give you some help.
i ment that it is hard to play triplet solos in 4/4 . therefore changing a regular 4/4 standard to 6/8 would be the same as playing triplets in 4/4 (if you play 8th notes)
it's not hard at all to play triplets in 4/4, or any other meter for that matter.
well... i think the language is somehow different... some people just say that nothing is hard... for me is everything hard to do...
if you wanna play blues (and aggod way to learn jazz is to start with blues) you must learn to play triplets!  start listening to some fats domino and you will be playing triplets in no time!
can you recommend any tunes?
in 6/8 the primary accent falls on beat one and the secondary accent falls on beat four. as in 4/4 the measure is divided evenly in half.

there is a huge difference between 3/4 & 6/8. in 3/4 there is no sceondary accent and if we count at the eighth note level we have triple duplets. the time signature 6/8 is composed of duple triplets.

willie nelson's "crazy" (which is pretty much jazz changes) is in 6/8. (speaking of that, have you ever heard diana krall's version? what a piece of crap! she definitely should've married me instead of elvis costello.)

all irish jigs are in 6/8.
slightly off thread but your "swing quarter notes" brings up something i've wondered about.  i'm working on three little words (i think it might be fun as stride but that's another question) and it seems like this may be a place where the 1/4s could swing.  i listen to alot of music but haven't listened for this specifically.  can you comment on this?

tia - scott
heck, i simply love patsy cline's version of crazy. the song is neato all over, the lazy keys, guitar "slides", the low-range men's back-up, & of course patsy's expressive voice.
this is a jealous side of 7 i haven't seen before.  the man's got good taste in chicks, i'll say that.

seriously, for that fats domino thing -- check "the fat man" or "so long."  real core stuff for triplet feel with a bit of flash.  anytime you start feeling like you've got it all together, bring it back home to some of that new orleans style, or the kind of r&b sonny clark plays on those don wilkerson sides -- keeps you from getting too fey and ethereal.
can anybody expail the difference between 6/8 & 6/4?
in 6/8 time, eighth notes get the beat when you count time.
in 6/4 time, quarter notes get the beat when you count time.
how about little richard, man, he can play some real syncopated stuff!
also 6/8 tends to be played faster than 6/4.
little richard can indeed play.  did you know that on the original record of "tutti frutti," it was actually huey "piano" smith playing the piano part?  something about the vocal separation from the piano microphones being a  problem, since little richard sang so forcefully.
no, i didn't know that. i've always enjoyed "rockin'pneumonia & the boogie-woogie flu". how about you?
you bet -- rockin' pneumonia, and all his hits, really.  that stuff is a lot harder to play with the genuine feeling than someone would think just by looking at the notes.  i've always thought it would have been cool to hear more recordings by the hardboppers (elmo hope, sonny clark, who else did time in the trenches?) doing that old time r&b thing -- nowadays you've got boogie-woogie specialists in one corner, rock and roll guys who divide their time between the hammond, the piano, and the synth (and it shows, all to often), and jazz guys, and the connection isn't too apparent.  there's a lot of subtlety in some of those real old records, which isn't getting passed around or is just labelled as primitive, when it just isn't the case when you really transcribe the original parts.  of course, it's possible to spread yourself too thin, but just to have that background and interest is a lot of fun.
i think it has to do with subtleties, such as rubato. i like how willie nelson plays around with time, super! as i've posted elsewhere, rubato is probably the key factor in what separates so-so playing & can transform it into tear-jerking beauty. this is no lie!
i'm disappointed in how edgar winter turned out, are any of you?
i don't know what edgar's been up to lately -- what's going on?  i admit i love those records where johnny and edgar play together.
are he and paul winter related?  i've thought so for a long time but then i've held wrong ideas for a long time before!
he has a new album that's not too old, but in general the album disappoints me, so i didn't buy it. i'm pretty sure he's not related to paul winter. johnny, what a character!
speaking of johnny winter being a real character, i just saw a tape of a tv broadcast made right after the ann arbor blues festival sometime in the 1970s -- about 4 am or so.  small audience of maybe a dozen people or so.  johnny, his bass player, and the interviewer smoke a joint, and then proceed to really chat in a very interesting way about the blues, rock and roll, with some amazing little laird-back duets by johnny winter and his bassist (sorry i can't remember who it was that time).  it should still be up on dimeadozen under "blues" category.  even to a non-guitar player, like me, it was very interesting viewing.
6/8 and 3/4 are ostensibly the same thing; they are both time signatures in which a measure is 6 eighth notes. like 7 said, teh difference is how they are divided...6/8 is divided into two beats...two dotted quarter notes make up the measure, and the dotted quarter gets the beat. in 3/4, there are three beats; the quarter note gets the beat.

that's why we say something in 12/8 is "in 4". something in 6/8 is "in 2," and something in 3/4 is "in three." a  jazz waltz is not 6/8. it's always 3/4. and a tune in 6/8 could easily be written "2/4" or "4/4," just with triplets. a good example is bobby timmons "dat dere," which could be written in 6/8 or 12/8, or in 4/4 (but with triplets). the song sounds like it's in four.

so yeah, basically 6/8 is like a measure of 2/4, but using triplets on every beat.

every song in 3/4 can be approached like it's in 6/8, however, like 7 said. in songs in 3/4, you may comp on the dotted quarter note. in fact, this is what happens often on the miles recording of someday my prince will come. bill evans especially was a champion of this device.

sdm; this is kind of what you're talking about, i think. this is called a metric modulation, and it happens a lot in bill evans' playing, and also in herbie hancock's.

basically, if you're in a tune in 3/4, and you're comping that dotted quarter rhythm so you're hitting two times a measure, you could  make that dotted quarter note hit the quarter note of a new tempo, and swing (or double time!) that quarter note. i know this is really confusing, but i think that's what you were getting at, and by all means you can do it. it's called metric modulation. listen carefully to bill evans' trio albums or the miles davis complete my funny valentine/four and more concert and you'll hear this everywhere.

zl
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are there any jazz tunes for 6/8? i discovered that it was very hard to play tunes in 6/8 because the language seems to be kinda different. is this a good way to learn to play solo lines that are triplet based? i think it might be...
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